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I maintain a few hundreds of SUSE RPMs on my site, so I think I'm quite 
qualified to comment on this ;)

Zlatko Michailov wrote:
> Please create a section on the opensuse.org web site where enthusiasts
> around the world can upload product RPMs for SuSE.

Upload RPMs ? Anyone ?

While we definately need to improve the 3rd party packaging community for SUSE 
Linux, care has to be
taken on a few important things:

1) the quality of the packages: building good RPMs (i.e. writing good spec 
files) for a distribution
means having much experience with it (both building RPMs _and_ knowing the 
distribution well), so
I'm not sure it should be "open to everyone". Having lots and lots of packages 
that don't install
properly, don't have proper integration (init scripts, desktop files, 
dependencies) and break users'
systems is certainly not an improvement

2) you need a lot of space to host those packages: for my repository alone, I 
have 2.2GB of files
(and that doesn't include x86_64 builds)

3) you need services around it, not just offering http and ftp download of 
RPMs: managing
dependencies is quite a tedious task when you can't use YaST2, apt, yum or 
red-carpet. Maintaining
that repository metadata isn't such an easy task (ask Eberhard Moenkeberg from 
gwdg.de, who's kindly
hosting RPMs from several 3rd party packagers)

But if you'd like to contribute packages or some processing power (e.g. build 
the packages on
x86_64), you can join packman: http://packman.links2linux.org
;)

> I have used both Red Hat 8 and SuSE 9. SuSE is way more user-friendly than
> Red Hat. However, when it comes to installing products that are not included
> in the original distribution, or even updating an existing product, Red Hat
> becomes the king of the hill. My observation is that if a project

I'd say Debian becomes the king of the hill, and by a large amount.

> distributes any binaries, RPMS for Red Hat/Fedora are always included, while
> RPMs for SuSE are not very popular.

Indeed. There are mostly packman, my site, the suse-people repository, James 
Ogley's
usr-local-bin.org and a few packages from various packagers (see ftp.gwdg.de, 
the suser-* stuff).

> What I'm suggesting is that the opensuse.org web site becomes the ultimate
> location for third-party product RPMs for SuSE. It only takes some disk
> space and a couple of wiki pages.

See my comments above. It requires a much broader infrastructure.

Nevertheless, the initiative is important, we really have to get many, many 
more packagers to build
good RPMs on SUSE.

cheers
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  -o) Pascal Bleser     http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/
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