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Per Jessen wrote:
> Pascal Bleser wrote:
> 
>> What software to use (phpBB/vBulletin/... ...), whether we want an
>> NNTP gateway or not, whether it's feasible, how, etc... will be
>> discussed *later*.
> 
> I'm not discussing software, I'm discussing functionality.
> Software is utterly irrelevant until the functionality is decided.  
> Functionality, then software, then naming standards.  With perhaps the
> odd iteration.

We're not even to the point where we discuss functionality.
That would be the next step.

>>> I'm perfectly willing to volunteer my time and resources (within
>>> reason), but I suspect any real action/decision will have to come
>>> from Novell though.
>> Wrong, the decision is up to Novell/SUSE _and us_, which is why it is
>> being discussed here and now.
> 
> Um, of course everyone here has the right to voice their opinion(s), but
> as far as partaking in the _decision_ process, I don't see how it
> works.  (and I don't mind either - I'm prefectly content with being
> heard.)

It's quite simple actually. Sonja asked what we want.
We're discussing to find an agreement on what we want.
We tell Sonja.
Depending on the workload it puts on SUSE staffers we see whether we from the 
community can do it
(or parts thereof). If not, then SUSE might refuse. But if the workload is ok 
and the SUSE folks
don't have a big showstopping argument against our decision, it will be done.

>>> I disagree slightly.  The answer is YES, but ONLY given that such a
>>> webforum is merely an additional interface to already existing fora.
>>> I strongly object to any officially sanctioned webforum with no
>>> mailinglist/nntp interface.
>> Well, ok, that's your opinion.
>> I, for myself, don't give a **** about it if it sticks us into an
>> endless discussion.
> 
> Then I respectfully submit that you haven't understood the issue. 
> Besides, has anyone actively argued against my and others' proposal of a
> bi/tri-gated solution?  Are you against it? 

No, I'm absolutely not against it, but I think that
a) adding NNTP "gatewaying" into the discussion thread is hijacking and we 
should first decide
whether we want to elect existing forums or put up a new one
b) we'll still be discussing the NNTP gateway thing in 3 months as obviously 
there isn't a simple
solution to it (do you know some shrink-wrapped software that already does it ?)
c) it seems it's not easy to achieve, technically and if we sacrifice this 
thread to discussing how
to do NNTP+mailing-list gatewaying with the web forum, then we'll never get 
anywhere

>> So, basically, you are in favor of setting up new web forums, hosted
>> by Novell/SUSE ?
> 
> Provided they are merely interfaces to e.g. a mailinglist and/or
> newsgroup, yes, I'm in favour.  As long as they're not separate
> communities, I've always been in favour.  

Is there already software that does it ?
Is it tested, stable, secure ?

If not then drop that topic for now, we'll pick it up later, we can't wait 6 
months for someone to
develop it and I definitely wouldn't want Novell's openSUSE staff to be busy 
with doing that because
there are other much more important things to do (build service, doc server).

cheers
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