Hi,
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote:
On Sunday 26 February 2006 22:50, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
On Sun, 26 Feb 2006, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote:
On Sunday 26 February 2006 21:16, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
Sorry, Peter Flodin has prepared his mail so that pine does fail to
distinguish quotes and new sentences.
As heat has grown, I insist in right quoting:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
On Mon, 27 Feb 2006, Peter Flodin wrote:
On 2/27/06, Eberhard Moenkeberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
They do not have horses, they just want to ride them.
So let's watch them fall onto their noses.
Are you using reverse psychology? Saying that they will fail, so that
they will be more determined to succeed? :-)
Let me just say that I am always wary of people who say that their way
is the right one and that all others are wrong. Even more so,
'doomsayers', that say all other ways are doomed.
Although maybe I have just misunderstood all your translated
proverbs...:-)
I am really upset about the message "at FOSDEM, the openSUSE team
declared to create a new official web forum".
I can't believe it to be true, so I can't really find a target for my
gun.
So I currently can only argue "straight forward" in my line without
knowing the path of my opposites.
If you can give some guidance, please do.
If you can't, shut your dirty mouth.
This is really annoying: who of you would have concluded our discussion
as "yes, we need a new official openSUSE forum"? Noone. So it is an at
least surprising - but in fact: annoying - act. No discusssion. BAD.
WORSE.
Maybe we really should take a vote, to find back to the existing
reality. Because the virtual reality we are confronted with will not
stand the next rain shower, I guess.
Peter, you seem to have an opinion which is opposite to mine.
Please, give a standalone statement here - because "shooting against"
is not enough to help the others to understand in this situation.
And I can state you: I am upset about your answer. So please hurry to
clear your position and tell it here.
Wow. I just got home, and see all this being fired back and forth.
I think everyone is aware that I support the idea of an official forum,
and probably why - however, I'm not going into that now because its
already been said.
Eberhard, I think you need to calm yourself.
Good idea. But what I am seeing here...
As both Keith and Viras see, with proper justification (and I'm not
saying there is, though I believe so) its a worthwhile element to be
added. Considering Keith and Viras, both of the two major forums out
there are open to the discussion, I'm shocked that you, Eberhard, have
lashed out and taken things out of proportion so quickly.
It must have been a very much "central" decision, at least not meeting the
democracy principles here.
Who did ever speak for it here? Only some of our well-tolerated
long-speaking childs, but noone who had qualifyed as a potential
moderator.
No moderator, no forum. Anyone here who did not understand this yet?
Sign up, but hurry.
Who says who is a good mod and who is not? What makes you think you know any
better than anyone else? What makes *you* think anything based on an
UNOFFICIAL SUMMARY.
Surely, it is not impossible that a child gets a good forum moderator
once. Maybe even the step from child to moderator may happen instantly,
but are you even dreaming of it, knowing our "pro" individuals?
But don't you have enough human experience to accord, or do you think your
human experience should enforce you to withdraw here?
But I guess even more worse: there are some people pushing the idea of
the "official" forum which are not able to maintain it.
And you know that they are not able to maintain it, even though *it isn't an
issue yet*?
No; I just suspect they are too stupid/unconcious to fulfill the task.
I use these hard words in hope to wake them up in time; if it does not
work, we will see some prominent opensuse community members (yes, exactlty
those...) divert into eternal darkness...
Not any task, but a task the openSUSE community (even stronger: the
openSUSE core team) has to stand for if announced.
houghi has already stated that the decision was only about the techncial
ability should the decision be made to go ahead.
Let's hope it is "only" that.
But you know what the pure politicians are able to do.
What? What are they able to do?
Force any plan, regardless of the community meaning.
You've been doing nothing but tossing aimless blame and loathsome remarks, but
I have yet to see a single point from you tonight.
Right; I need an "official" response first before I will shoot my
magazine. Please understand that I need a more relevant statement than
the bad guy houghi was able to give.
How about we hold off, give the people who just went to FOSDEM a break,
and get the full summary tomorrow (or whenever it is the audio and
summaries come up).
Yes, I give them 24 hours due to the known bad influences of so-called
belgian beer.
But that does not influence my position, only their answer.
An official statement which is in contrast to the community counting is a
destroying action, not only a disharmonic one. So take out your guns and
shoot at any movement you see, if it is true that the openSUSE team has
decided against the community.
If it is not true, let's wait 24 hours until they got rid of the bad
consequences of drinking so-called belgian beer.
How have they "decided against the community"? As I said, Keith and Viras are
open to the discussion and the idea, and regardless, will continue to work
towards the improvement of SUSE, no matter what the outcome. So how in the
hell is anything against the community?
In my opinion, such a decision did not reflect the discussion at the
opensuse mailing list.
And you can be sure: it is not only "my opinion" which does not meet.
So it is a higher-level thingy: are there some individuals manipulating
our conciousness?
Hey, if you are such a bad individual, show up here. I want to shoot at
you, and get a point for it.
if you are not, please convince us that you do not want to destroy the
upcoming openSUSE community before it destroys itself.
Seriously, I'm sick of the completely pointless posts, the harassing comments,
and the altogether useless remarks - and it took less than an hour. I'm done
with this aspect of the thread for now.
Don't forget we have to build the tomorrow, or the tomorrow will build us.
Cheers -e
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Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED])
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