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jdd wrote:
> Martin Schlander wrote:
>> Søndag 11 juni 2006 21:25 skrev jdd:
>>
>>> Rajko M wrote:
>>>
>>>> First time moderation, or approved members, what is the difference?
>>>> Someone takes time to read the mail and let poster subscribe, or not.
>>>
>>> very small in work (all the first time users needs to hit a
>>> moderator), but quite important for the user.
>>
>> Should we be disussing moderation of suse-linux-e or future
>> opensuse-{techsupport} on this list?
>
> no, not in my mind.
>
> there are two things here:
>
> * should we not create a _new_ list, (keeping the suse-linux-e also),
> moderated for the ones that prefere this. I know I rarely answer on
> suse-linux-e for many reason mostly in rapport with the fact 90% of the
> posts are OT
Ouch.. is it really that bad on suse-linux-e ?
Haven't been subscribed there for years now, the only reason being that
it's so high-traffic.
But guys, what do you expect if we create yet another suse-linux-e ?
- - if the problem is high traffic, you'll end up with the same amount on
that other support list, and probably with a lot of people being
subscribed on both
- - if the problem is off-topic mails, you'll end up with the same
proportion anyway and if you don't want that by moderating it more
thoroughly, then you should do that on suse-linux-e in the first place
What's the point of splitting user support into two lists ?
Wouldn't that be even more misleading and confusing for end-users ?
Personally, I think so.
> * should we "filter" the opensuse/opensuse-project (NOT suse-linux-e)
> subscribe. I think this is very difficult because a moderator can't know
> on what purpose anybody asks for subscription, and that kicking somebody
> out of the list is rude. I propose (if the list manager can afford that)
Well, yes, apart from it being very difficult to do (how to select whom
to allow ?), I find the idea of a closed list very questionable.
If it's the only and last option of being able to get some work done
without all the noise, then be it, but I don't think we've reached that
point (not anywhere near that actually).
While I do agree that renaming the list to opensuse-project or something
like that would probably be a good idea, as it's more precise as of its
goals, but I'm against closing that list.
> to make a more sensible thing:
> have two states for the list users: moderated/not moderated. Starting at
> moderated.
> if the first post is in chart, the moderator pass the user status to non
> moderated (so one time work)
> if the first post is not in chart, write to the user (this can be a
> predefined text) to explain that his post can't be sent to the list and
> why and that he is still subscribed and can write if in chart and then
> be freed
> it will always possible to set back at moderated the status of a people,
> but _this_ should be avoided.
Are you nuts ? Far too complicated, too much work, probably impossible
to do in practice... It would have to be done manually by a person you'd
have to put full-time on that activity.
Forget it, just an open list, possibly change its name, send out replies
telling off-topic posters to please ask support questions on
suse-linux-e, and that's it.
> The main importance of this system is that sometime a post from an old
> subscriber of the least is OT. Or seems so. This can be a mistake, or
> the OT status is questionable (often when the mail asks for a bug, I
> know a can send a post to the wrong list, being subscribed to many),
> it's unimportant, this can be easily corrected. Most really OT posts
> come from newcomers.
Yes, but just send them a polite mail telling them it's off-topic and
that's it.
Let's get a little realistic, and it's about time to try to close and
summarize this endless thread.
Any action items as a result ?
Rename this list ? If so, to what ? Any agreement ?
cheers
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-o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/
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