On 11/19/2006 07:35 AM, Randall R Schulz wrote:
> On Sunday 19 November 2006 04:31, Anders Johansson wrote:
>> ...
>>
>> Patent violations, of course, don't even need source code access
> 
> How do you figure? Patents are about how something is accomplished as 
> much as what is accomplished. They are about specific mechanisms, not 
> just specific outcomes.

Anders is right. One doesn't need access to the code to show a patent 
violation. Copyright violation, yes, because what is copyrighted is that exact 
text of the code. A patent reserves the right to use described systems and 
methods. One might, for instance, patent a method of tagging files so that they 
can be nicely arranged in different views of a shared file system. One doesn't 
need to see the code in order to notice that someone else's system is doing 
that. The patent violation may or may not be obvious to the user, but to 
someone working on interoperability it may become very apparent, even without 
source code being evaluated.

Here is a list of the US patents assigned to Novell:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D4FC1283E

You can do this yourself by going here and entering a company name for "Term 1" 
and choosing "Assignee Name" for "Field 1":
http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html

Just for fun, try entering "Microsoft" in Field 1.

Given that a patent examiner is allocated four hours to generate the first 
response to a patent, a lot of these patents step on each others toes a little, 
which means in a court of law it comes down to lawyers and judges when deciding 
who infringed on whom. And lawyers and judges are human and as susceptible to 
FUD, hype and mass hysteria as the rest of us.

Also lawyers are very, very expensive. Try calling your lawyer and asking how 
much it would cost for him to prove that the code in your widget doesn't 
violate a Microsoft patent.


Saill


> 
> Randall Schulz


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