On Saturday 25 November 2006 14:22, Benjamin Rosenberg wrote:
> On Nov 25, 2006, at 1:00 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > The Saturday 2006-11-25 at 10:55 -0600, Steve Jeppesen wrote:
> >> so do tell, what is this list for then?
> >
> > Discussions about suse/novell linux. In my opinion, discussions
> > about the
> > future of that is more or less on topic, even if I dislike the tone of
> > some of them.
> >
> > Complaining will not make them go away, but rather, will increase the
> > number of disccusions and the noise.
>
> After close to 9 years on this list and hundreds of thousands of
> emails answer and sent .. I find the deal between SuSe (I'm an old
> fart, so leave me alone) and Microsoft VERY relevant to the future of
> what I will support and use. I remember quite well Microsoft crushing
> my beloved OS/2 with their bull**** and FUD. I don't want it to

A VERY sore point for a number of us who were working with systems for close 
to 30 yrs. I'm just an old goat, and it's true you're an old fart! ;)

> happen again to Linux. Believe the PHB's out there pay more attention
> to Microsoft paid pundits there we would believe. If they start
> seeing stuff like what Ballmer put forth .. they will shy away from
> Linux. This we can NOT have. So if Novell makes bad decisions that
> could effect my livelihood .. then by damn I want to know what they
> are. And if Novell has to be relegated to a bit player in the
> computing world .. so be it. It's not about SUSE, SuSE or SuSe ..
> it's about Linux and other GNU software.

Correct!!

> Not one person here can accuse me of being a Chicken Little or having
> an agenda. I've used SUSE since 4.1 and even worked for SUSE in
> Oakland. I want them around just as much as anyone else, but I won't
> have their parent company making shit decisions that in danger Linux.
> All Microsoft has to bloody do is release their specs for things such
> as SMB, NTFS and other such things .. the FOSS developers will do the
> rest to make them work together better. We don't need an "agreement"
> for better operability .. that crap.

Right again!

> Anyway. The deal that Novell and Microsoft signed is very much ON 
> topic. And if you people want to get back to the way this list was ..
> I'd agree that actually answering questions instead of RTFM or check
> the archives would be the way to go. This list hasn't been very great
> for information in quite a few years. I wish we could have it back,
> but I doubt that will happen.

It's a MAJOR issue of mammoth proportions that isn't just going to go away on 
it's own, nor dissappear if ignored.

Fred

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