On Tue January 29 2008 03:19:33 am [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >> Our 0.15% contribution
> > >> to greenhouse gasses does nothing to warm the planet
>
> that is as asinine are Gore's propaganda. Where on earth is there space for
> some truth?

Right here. Thanks for asking! :-)
note: "AIT" = An Inconvenient Truth

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The England and Wales High Court (Administrative Court) Decisions:

Justice Burton:

"    I turn to AIT, the film. The following is clear:

    i) It is substantially founded upon scientific research and fact, albeit 
that the science is used, in the hands of a talented politician and 
communicator, to make a political statement and to support a political 
programme.

    ii) As Mr Chamberlain [note: the *Plaintiff*] persuasively sets out at 
paragraph 11 of his skeleton:

    “The Film advances four main scientific hypotheses, each of which is very 
well supported by research published in respected, peer-reviewed journals and 
accords with the latest conclusions of the IPCC:

    (1) global average temperatures have been rising significantly over the 
past half century and are likely to continue to rise (”climate change”);

    (2) climate change is mainly attributable to man-made emissions of carbon 
dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide (”greenhouse gases”);

    (3) climate change will, if unchecked, have significant adverse effects on 
the world and its populations; and

    (4) there are measures which individuals and governments can take which 
will help to reduce climate change or mitigate its effects."
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Now, a closer look at the opposition:

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"Revealed: the man behind court attack on Gore film - Fuel and mining magnate 
backed UK challenge to An Inconvenient Truth"
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2190770,00.html
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I do not understand your meaning, below. Be more precise and succinct.

(I don't know you, or your motivations, but "muddying the waters" is a common 
tactic of the right. IOW, sowing confusion into the debate, like this: a) 
appearing to agree with both sides, b) leading up to clear conclusions then 
stating the opposite, c) incorporating vague and maladapted analogies, etc. 
Is this what you are engaging in?)

> Mainstream media and government  have had decades of opportunity to
<blather snipped>
> reasoning and words about global warming?

> > > Then came "Against Nature," a
> > > documentary which aired on the BBC which then had to issue a public
> > > apology for showing it.
> > >
> > > Get some SCIENCE not blather, Fred. And PLEASE post to the list!
>
> I absolutely agree.
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Then leave it there!

> wannabe a real conservative?

What is the scientific definition of "conservative"? I am engaged here in an 
exchange concerning established scientific method and facts vs. politically 
motivated and dishonest junk and pseudo science.

Give me science, please, and stuff your politics!

Carl
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