I like keeping it simple too. I just think you guys are missing my point. You can be SIMPLE and POWERFUL a the same time. Please, re-read what I've proposed. I've made it very, very, VERY clear that configuration would be just as simple as always. I know that it would be just as simple because in fact, it won't have even changed! The only thing changing is that the internal workings of WebWork now support a much more complex (but powerful) configuration option. But we will mask that from the views.properties folks (I'm one of them!). However, when you step outside the realm of ServletDispatcher (again, I'm throwing OSWorkflow out there, or JIRA's internal command API), supporting a stronger configuration is needed.
Maurice, Hani, do you now see that nothing changes for the end users? Does anyone else not see this? Maybe I have been smoking the pipe for too long, since to me this issue seems like a total no-brainer. It's win-win for everyone. -Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hani Suleiman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 12:04 PM Subject: Re: Configuration (was RE: [OS-webwork] Webwork Security Requirements) > Again, as if this hasn't been reiterated enough times. simplicity is > key. People like views.properties, why not keep them happy? It's like > the propertytag debate. People like the idiosyncratic way it worked, > why modify it just to enforce some arbitrary perception of correctness? > > I really do like Maurice's approach of keeping things as simple as > possible. I likewise feel that everyone should develop an instant > knee-jerk reaction AGAINST adding more configuration options for users > to be befuddled by, and that it should be viewed as a distasteful last > resort. > > On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 02:46 PM, Joseph Ottinger wrote: > > > Sure, but is it all about what you can do and not about how? I > > certainly > > see your point, but that calls into question why there are two > > mechanisms > > at all, much less how the mechanisms are invoked. Why not have one > > mechanism that does it all? (I know that while my vote doesn't count > > for > > much in WW, I'd rebel against losing views.properties. It's my friend. > > It > > keeps me warm at night. It fights off the trolls.) > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://enigmastation.com IT Consultant > > > > On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Maurice Parker wrote: > > > >> > >> Joseph Ottinger wrote: > >> > >>> No, actually I see his point: We add a configuration option that > >>> tells > >>> webwork how to configure views. That enables people like me, who are > >>> addicted to the raw simplicity of views.properties, to be happy... > >>> while > >>> it allows him to have his custom frobnigator that nobody ELSE will > >>> ever > >>> use or care about just as well. I think that's probably a justifiable > >>> change. > >>> > >> Go reread my reply to Pat. His custom frobnigator doesn't do anything > >> that I couldn't do with even views.properties. > >> > >> Check out this example from view.properties: > >> > >> jasperTest.action=jasperreports.OrderList > >> jasperTest.success=orderList.jasper?dataSource=orders > >> > >> Last I checked you could also do this with Actions. Maybe a param tag > >> in actions.xml would make this more elegant, but that's about it. > >> > >> -Maurice > >> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------------------- > >>> Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> http://enigmastation.com IT Consultant > >>> > >>> On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, Maurice Parker wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Joseph Ottinger wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> +1! Pat is a god! (He told me to say that so I'm blindly > >>>>> worshipping him.) > >>>>> > >>>>> Actually... I still vote +1, and Pat's just another frood in > >>>>> PsychoDelusionLand. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Well I say he's on something that's harming his short term memory. > >>>> I > >>>> rail on how complicated the webwork.properties file is and he > >>>> proposes > >>>> yet another configuration option. > >>>> > >>>> Pat, put down the pipe! :-) > >>>> > >>>> -Maurice > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> ------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: ApacheCon, November 18-21 in > >>>> Las Vegas (supported by COMDEX), the only Apache event to be > >>>> fully supported by the ASF. http://www.apachecon.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------------------------------- > >>> This SF.net email is sponsored by: ApacheCon, November 18-21 in > >>> Las Vegas (supported by COMDEX), the only Apache event to be > >>> fully supported by the ASF. http://www.apachecon.com > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> This SF.net email is sponsored by: ApacheCon, November 18-21 in > >> Las Vegas (supported by COMDEX), the only Apache event to be > >> fully supported by the ASF. http://www.apachecon.com > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.net email is sponsored by: ApacheCon, November 18-21 in > > Las Vegas (supported by COMDEX), the only Apache event to be > > fully supported by the ASF. http://www.apachecon.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: ApacheCon, November 18-21 in > Las Vegas (supported by COMDEX), the only Apache event to be > fully supported by the ASF. http://www.apachecon.com > _______________________________________________ > Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: ApacheCon, November 18-21 in Las Vegas (supported by COMDEX), the only Apache event to be fully supported by the ASF. http://www.apachecon.com _______________________________________________ Opensymphony-webwork mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork
