I have no doubt you believe you are doing something "best for the community", but look at the vote count. They ARE the community.
-Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Re: Property tag (beating the decomposed horse) > > Patrick Lightbody wrote: > > >You might not like Anders for the changes he made without asking, but this > >this stubbornness is pretty sickening. > > > > > Patrick, this is nothing personal. This is a logistical decision. > > 1) Changing the behavior of the PropertyTag hurts our userbase. > 2) Adding addional tags makes the PropertyTag (and the taglibs as a > whole) more confusing, not less. > > It's not about being stubborn. It's about making decisions based on > facts and analysis rather than emotionally charged debate. If you want > me to change my position on this matter, you have to convince me that a > change is for the greater benifit of the community. As it stands right > now, I believe that the proposed change would in fact have the opposite > effect. > > -Maurice > > >-Pat > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Hani Suleiman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:01 AM > >Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Re: Property tag (beating the decomposed horse) > > > > > > > > > >>It's a different approach I suppose. > >> > >>I didn't know of the TWO uses of the propertytag, let alone the 3 uses. > >> > >> > >I'm not > > > > > >>angry or irritated at anyone because of it, in fact, I was rather > >> > >> > >delighted when > > > > > >>I found out the other uses. I'm glad they're documented now. Most of all > >>however, I like the fact that I was able to use propertytag without > >> > >> > >reading any > > > > > >>docs. I like the fact that I was using the valuestack without even > >> > >> > >understanding > > > > > >>what it is, or how and why it's working its magic. Maybe adding more tags > >> > >> > >will > > > > > >>make that easier, it just doesn't feel that way though based on all the > >>discussion here. > >> > >>Quoting Chris Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> > >> > >> > >>>Agreed. While I'm not a regular WW user these days due to circumstances > >>>beyond my control (and I use Velocity with WW rather that JSP anyway), I > >>>still try to keep abreast of WW's progress. From what I've read of this > >>>debate, one thing is readily apparent. The existing property tag is > >>> > >>> > >*not* > > > > > >>>intuitive. To quote an earlier comment from Mike: > >>> > >>>"Well, I actually wrote the original two uses of the PropertyTag (which > >>> > >>> > >you > > > > > >>>are correct - is in fact 3, would you believe I didn't know about the > >>> > >>> > >third > > > > > >>>one? ;))" > >>> > >>>Correct me if I'm wrong but I am sure that Mike uses WW extensively, and > >>>has > >>>been doing so for quite some time. If even he didn't know all the > >>>subtleties > >>>of that tag, what chance does a newbie have? Documentation alone isn't > >>> > >>> > >the > > > > > >>>best solution - docs plus intuitive design is. Has anyone here ever > >>> > >>> > >tried > > > > > >>>to > >>>use all the various permutations of the struts <html:select> tag for > >>>iteration? There is a lot of documentation for that tag, and I've been > >>>using > >>>it for quite some time now. But almost without fail I still have to > >>> > >>> > >either > > > > > >>>cut'n'paste existing code, or refer to the documentation to get the damn > >>>thing working each and every time! > >>> > >>>I haven't looked at the replacement tags Anders has submitted so I can't > >>>comment on whether those are 'better' or not, but I would encourage > >>>everyone > >>>in this debate to think about what the taglib should look like in a > >>> > >>> > >perfect > > > > > >>>world, ie *without regard for what currently exists*. THAT should then > >>>become the goal for XWork 2.0. Obviously backwards compatibility is > >>>crucial, > >>>but deprecation can take care of that if need be. > >>> > >>>Chris > >>> > >>> > >>>"Jason Carreira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > >>>news:CD44D03584C7A249A3F86891B24EB8EA03FDCAB9@;ehost003.intermedia.net... > >>>Yeah, not like the current ever-so-transparent ww:property tag that > >>>everyone > >>>just understands without any explanation. > >>> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: Hani Suleiman [mailto:hani@;formicary.net] > >>>Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:34 AM > >>>Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Property tag (beating the decomposed horse) > >>> > >>> > >>>Excellent! A great way of ensuring nobody is able to use webwork without > >>>first going through lots of docs. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>------------------------------------------------------- > >>>This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > >>>Welcome to geek heaven. > >>>http://thinkgeek.com/sf > >>>_______________________________________________ > >>>Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------------- > >>This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > >>Welcome to geek heaven. > >>http://thinkgeek.com/sf > >>_______________________________________________ > >>Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > >> > >> > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- > >This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > >Welcome to geek heaven. > >http://thinkgeek.com/sf > >_______________________________________________ > >Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Opensymphony-webwork mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork
