It's not because I ran in to that a problem where I had multiple copies of ant. I've had that problem for almost 2 years. I'm springboarding off of Ken's work on documentation and trying to organize the various components being maintained here.
What I did was I looked at the various build processes that OSCore, OSWorkflow, etc used. I then looked and WebWork and took the things I thought were good from it, and integrated it with the existing "standard". Let me just make it painfully clear one last time: YOU CAN USE YOUR OWN COPY OF ANT. I'll do it again one more time: YOU CAN USE YOUR OWN COPY OF ANT. And in case you don't know what that means, I'll translate: YOU CAN TYPE "ant" AND THINGS WILL WORK So what's lost here? 1MB on your hard drive? Is that really what all the fuss is about? What's the gain: 1) build process is self-contained 2) business as usual for both sides of the camp (you and I can work the same way) 3) no need to fuss with optional taskdefs, they will be handled automatically I'm just doing the math... 3 is more than 1. I won't respond to your other comments except to just point out tha OSUser supports almost every app server out there (including deploying on EJB containers as well as security integration) due to my hard work. If you think I wasn't fast enough making that happen, you've got CVS access, be my guest. -Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hani Suleiman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "os-dev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: [OS-webwork] Re: [Opensymphony-developers] OpenSymphony build process > The same way you said you'd take care of all the > osworkflow/oscore/propertyset descriptors when you moved away from > xdoclet? The very descriptors that were out of sync/broken for fairly > significant stretches of time? > > Of course, it's your right to take on whatever work. It's appreciated > and it does mean you have more of a say than I do, since you're putting > your money where your mouth is. As a USER though, my objection stems > from the many days I've spent fighting forgotten checkins and careless > mistakes. Hence, my instinct says that smaller means less chance of > screwups, less dependencies is less chance of out of sync issues. I > fail to see why that's an unreasonable expectation. > > I actually agree with most of your suggestions. Others had intelligent > worthwhile things to say about them and I can certainly see the > advantage of a uniform coding style and suchlike, even if I personally > find it distasteful. it seems a good compromise and makes projects > easier on the whole for more developers to grok. The ant thing is > symptomatic of your behaviour though. You just ran into a problem where > you needed multiple versions of ant, so now everything you touch must > support that, just because you had some obscure issue which did. > > But as you pointed out on IRC, you're the one willing to do the work, > so fuck everyone, you'll just go ahead and do it, end of story. > Nevermind that as usual, it's useless work that results in alienating > people that didn't need to be alienated. > > On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 11:49 AM, Patrick Lightbody wrote: > > > If maintence is your worry, I'll be happy to take care of updating > > everything. Since this will be _standard_, all that would need to > > happen > > when ant 1.6 comes out is that we drop a few files in lib/build and > > commit. > > I'll take this task on for each release, which is very rare. The added > > bonus > > of having a totally self-sustained CVS module is very appealing. > > > > -Pat > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Hani Suleiman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:43 AM > > Subject: Re: [Opensymphony-developers] Re: [OS-webwork] OpenSymphony > > build > > process > > > > > >> > >> On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 11:31 AM, Patrick Lightbody wrote: > >> > >>> If we don't include ant but instead tell people to download ant, I > >>> can > >>> promise you that the mavenites will be clamoring for maven builds > >>> instead, > >>> since downloading maven or downloading ant are parallels. Besides, > >>> build.xml > >>> is there, you can use ant just like you always have. > >>> > >> I disagree. Think of the maintenance hassle. Do you want to check in > >> new versions of ant into 10 projects? And the reason maven isn't used > >> is frankly because it's a foolish tool that is generally used by the > >> need for coolness factor. While I don't doubt that it's useful for > >> some, the general impression I get is that it's more of a fun 'look at > >> all the cruft we get for free' cookiecutter tool. > >> > >> I don't agree with a comparison of ant and maven. ant is an > >> established > >> stable tool used by many many projects, it's a standard almost. maven > >> is....not > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------- > >> This sf.net email is sponsored by: > >> With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility > >> Learn to use your power at OSDN's High Performance Computing Channel > >> http://hpc.devchannel.org/ > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by: > > With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility > > Learn to use your power at OSDN's High Performance Computing Channel > > http://hpc.devchannel.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Opensymphony-developers mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-developers > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by: > With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility > Learn to use your power at OSDN's High Performance Computing Channel > http://hpc.devchannel.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by: With Great Power, Comes Great Responsibility Learn to use your power at OSDN's High Performance Computing Channel http://hpc.devchannel.org/ _______________________________________________ Opensymphony-webwork mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork
