After all, would it be fair to call the example SnoopServlet a 'J2EE application'?
On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 09:13 PM, Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote:
Well, it's a J2EE app in my book - personally I don't agree with Sun (see my
blog's AVK rant) that a J2EE app _must_ contain EJBs, JSPs etc.
Either way (J2EE or not J2EE) people who use WW, XW, Lucene, Hibernate etc
are used to XML files - that was my point.
M
On 18/8/03 10:37 AM, "Hani Suleiman" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) penned the words:
Just to play the devil's advocate, people using full J2EE are unlikely to be huge xwork/webwork fans anyway. Unless of course you mean servlets/web containers, rather than J2EE. As surprising as it is, an app with xwork, webwork, lucene, hibernate, sitemesh, and oscache is not a particularly J2EE app. All it uses is jdbc (now part of the core JDK) and servlets.
On Sunday, August 17, 2003, at 06:24 PM, Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote:
Anders,
I have to say that this is a _bad_ idea.
You can already test actions to setup xwork.xml - just instantiate the
object, call your setter methods and run!
People doing J2EE understand XML, they have to. All descriptors are
XML.
Xwork.xml is not _that_ complex for a hello world example, most of the
elements are optional.
However, there _is_ a problem with WW2 at the moment that if a view is
not
found, no debug page is shown. I think it should be ("action returned
"input" but not "input" view found).
M
On 18/8/03 8:03 AM, "boxed" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) penned the words:
I had a discussion on #java with Epesh, and he expressed the sentiment
that WW2 might be turning into a too complex system which will
alienate
new users and be "popular with the gearheads and such when it leaves
nerd-domain". After reading the responses to the "Simplicity in WW2"
email I must agree that it looks like this.
Now, to make me sound less like a whiner and more like someone with good ideas, here is a practical proposal:
The way you have to declare each action in a rather complex XML config
file before even rudimentary testing increases the learning-curve
needlessly. I propose a few simple features that will help the average
users:
Actions can be run with the fully qualified class name.
Actions map by default to
1. a view document with the name of the action.
2. if 1 fails, a debug document that displays a list of the exposed
properties and their current value.
This will cut the amount of explaining needed for a hello world type
app
down by an entire step. Anyone else got ideas like this that will cut
down on the learning curve for newbies?
Anders Hovmöller
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