Hi Zhen,

On 2012/10/19, at 12:08, Zhen Cao wrote:

> > My question is why local-mac couldn't solve your problem. As far as I
> > know, any local-mac mode AP needs to encapsulate EAP packet into
> > neither CAPWAP-DATA nor CTL
> >
> > as far as i understand, the local-mac mode will encapsulate the CAPWAP 
> > message into 802.3 header.
> >               +-+wireless frames +-+ 802.3 frames +-+
> >               | |----------------| |--------------| |
> >               | |                | |              | |
> >               | |----------------| |--------------| |
> >               | |wireless PHY/   | |     CAPWAP   | |
> >               | | MAC sublayer   | |              | |
> >               +-+                +-+              +-+
> >               STA                WTP               AC
> >
> 
> Thanks, same view on me. The local-mac isn't designed to encapsulate EAP 
> packet into CAPWAP-{CTL|DATA} but the split-mac is the mode which CAPWAP-DATA 
> deliver the EAP packet.
> 
> Not actually. EAP is not exempted from the tunnel by RFC5415. 

I think that tunneling EAP packet through AP-AC link in the local-mac mode is 
nothing worth. I think that it should be significant to share that there is any 
implementation with that, or not. Can you include some results of 
implementation survey in the document?


>  
> 
> >
> > because AP send messages to AAA server as
> > EAP authenticator.
> >
> > This way, when UE handover between different AP, the security session 
> > cannot be switched to the new AP.
> >
> 
> Well, I understand that what problem you want to solve is keep 802.11i 
> security session continuously in UE handover between different APs. If so, I 
> may suggest that you can clarify the comparison of solutions in the document 
> that local-mac + ERP, which a product of the IETF hokey wg, vs. split-mac + 
> EAP encapsulation into CAPWAP-CTL for example.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion. Before that I need to clarify another aspect: now 
> that in the non-EAP authentication WLAN, we already have the AP not directly 
> interfacing with AAA, for a smooth upgrade, we had better keep this arch. 
> 

It seems slightly different discussion. EAP is a layer 2 authentication 
protocol but non-EAP authentication, whatever web or WISPr, is layer 3 based 
authentication. These are in orthogonal.
--satoru

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