Hi Alan,

TACACS+ cannot compete with RADIUS in the area RADIUS is strong: for
Network access. The authors have no interest in trying to do so.

TACACS+ in 2016 has quite a different use case: for device administration,
where it is widely deployed by multiple vendors. Its application for
device administration is why the authors approached opsawg. The authors
believe that it has a place for device administration in the datacenter
and would seek to get the TACACS+ protocol definition documented and
straightened out for this purpose, and registered with IETF.

I understand that you hold different view in this matter. I¹m sure that
the IETF checks and balances will resolve the conflict for the best
interests of the whole, and I¹ll happily follow their decision.

I don¹t think there was any conspiracy by Cisco not to pursue the
publication before. Cisco initiated the process to get the protocol
approved by IETF in 1996/1997
(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-grant-tacacs-02), but the original
authors pursued other endeavours, and no one followed up until now, with a
process that actually started up outside Cisco.

Regarding procedural matters, if we have missed any steps, that is my bad
and I will consult with those more versed in procedure to rectify that.


Best Regards,

Doug.

On 10/02/2016 20:57, "Alan DeKok" <[email protected]> wrote:

>  And some more notes
>
>7. The charter says:
>
>"The Operations and Management Area receives occasional proposals for
>the development and publication of RFCs dealing with operational and
>management topics that are not in scope of an existing working group
>and do not justify the formation of a new working group. "
>
>8. This document is competes directly with two existing working groups,
>RADEXT and DIME, to create a third AAA protocol.
>
>9.  As such, this document should be explicitly outside of the scope of
>the OPSAWG.
>
>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 3:51 PM, Alan DeKok <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>> 
>> On Feb 10, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Alan DeKok <[email protected]>
>>wrote:
>>> There are a host of procedural problems with how the document was
>>>adopted.  I suggest that the document be withdrawn, and re-submitted as
>>>an individual draft.
>> 
>>  To be clear:
>> 
>> 1. the document never had a WG call for adoption as required in Section
>>4.2.1 of RFC 6174
>> 
>> 2. the charter has not been updated to reflect this work.
>> 
>> 3. the charter says:
>> 
>>  "All new work items and rechartering proposals  will be brought for
>>approval with the IESG."
>> 
>> 4. I can find no record of this approval taking place.  If it had taken
>>place, the charter would have been updated.
>> 
>> 5. I had objected to this in person at the OPSAWG meeting in IETF 94.
>>However, the web site shows no minutes from that meeting:
>> 
>> https://tools.ietf.org/wg/opsawg/minutes
>> 
>> 6. I believe that this document is an incorrect technical choice as per
>>section 6.5.1 of RFC 2016.
>> 
>>  As such, I ask the chairs to withdraw the document as a WG document
>>until such time as the procedural issues above have been addressed.
>> 
>>  Alan DeKok.
>> 
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