RE: Pondering Question of the Day-RESPECT

Koivu, Lisa Fri, 02 Feb 2001 09:10:06 -0800

Title: RE: Pondering Question of the Day-RESPECT

Thanks Dick. Believe it or not I am the 'meanie' in the office because I rule with an iron fist too. At least I try and it's instead seen as 'mean' because I dare to stand up to people and say NO.

But you are right. Fire me then. I don't want to be stuck in this type of environment.

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To: Koivu; Lisa; Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Subject: Re:Pondering Question of the Day-RESPECT

Lisa,

Sounds like you've got a problem. I'll give you my take on this which has
worked pretty well, although not always.

Developers do not get free reign all over the place. They do not get DBA
privileges. They do not get access to other than 'USER%' views into the core
tables. They get specific access to specific tablespaces in specific instances
only. They grant object privileges to database roles only. Grants on objects
to other users is on a case by case basis. Passwords are changed with some
regularity & are not shared (if I find a case where this is not so, especially
in the production systems, I change the password & their boss has to come & get
it). I work with the developers as much as possible to insure they don't get
out of hand & I will make backups of production stuff before they make changes
if they ask. If they don't ask & then break something they're on their own &
the grilling that gets handed out by the "powers that be" is more than enough
incentive. In some cases I've actually taken over control of the production DB
where the developers have created too much havoc, which isn't much.

I kind of rule with an "iron" hand, but it's soft iron. For the most part
if your involved in the beginnings of a project it's easy to keep things in
check. It also does help to stand up for your opinions, even to the CIO/CTO.
I've gotten to the point where I really don't care if the upper crust is upset
with me. If they don't like it they can fire me, there are more than enough
other jobs out there. Besides, when I did "let them have their own way", I only
spent one evening fixing the mess but the developer ended up spending an entire
day before the "firing squad" upstairs. Case closed.

Dick Goulet

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Subject: Pondering Question of the Day-RESPECT
Author: "Koivu; Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2/2/2001 7:20 AM

"Hello Oracle Guru"

Now why is it that I get more respect on the Internet than I do in my
workplace. ??

How many of you have this problem? It's like an ongoing fight with
developers, they want carte blanche in the production database, and they do
whatever they want EVEN THOUGH I tell them NO, let's do something different
that won't affect production. I go to the CTO because this is like the 3rd
time this has happened, and he sends out a
let's-be-sure-not-to-offend-anyone email. But the developer(s) will go
ahead and do what they want ANYWAY. I'm waiting for the first user-mistake
recovery to say STOP, I've had ENOUGH and this is how it's going to be, no
ifs, ands or buts.

My last job may have been a sweatshop, but at least people respected my
authority. Here, it's a free for all no matter what I do. Even when I say,
Dude, I own the database. If there's a problem, I have to fix it.
Therefore I say what happens in production and what doesn' t happen in
production.

And yes, I am looking for another position. I can only take this
dba/developer/janitor role for so long.

I'M SO GLAD IT'S FRIDAY... Bring on the Captain Morgan! It's noon
somewhere...

Lisa Rutland Koivu
Oracle Database Administrator
Qode.com
4850 North State Road 7
Suite G104
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33319

V: 954.484.3191, x174
F: 954.484.2933
C: 954.658.5849
http://www.qode.com

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"Hello Oracle Guru"

Now why is it that I get more respect on the
Internet than I do in my workplace.  ??

How many of you have this problem?  It's like
an ongoing fight with developers, they want carte blanche in the production
database, and they do whatever they want EVEN THOUGH I tell them NO, let's do
something different that won't affect production.  I go to the CTO because
this is like the 3rd time this has happened, and he sends out a
let's-be-sure-not-to-offend-anyone email.  But the developer(s) will go
ahead and do what they want ANYWAY.  I'm waiting for the first user-mistake
recovery to say STOP, I've had ENOUGH and this is how it's going to be, no ifs,
ands or buts.

My last job may have been a sweatshop, but at least
people respected my authority.  Here, it's a free for all no matter what I
do.  Even when I say, Dude, I own the database.  If there's a problem,
I have to fix it.  Therefore I say what happens in production and what
doesn' t happen in production.

And yes, I am looking for another position.  I
can only take this dba/developer/janitor role for so long.

I'M SO GLAD IT'S FRIDAY...  Bring on the
Captain Morgan!  It's noon somewhere...

Lisa Rutland Koivu
 Oracle Database Administrator
 Qode.com
 4850 North State Road 7
 Suite G104
 Fort Lauderdale, FL  33319

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