OH, I see: $50 to the SA if you stay, $500 in your pocket and your gone. Sounds
like one of those win/win scenarios. (NYUCK,NYUCK,NYUCK)
Dick Goulet
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Author: "Koivu; Lisa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 2/2/2001 12:05 PM
I have a bet going with our SA that I WILL be fired. He thinks I won't. 10
to 1.
Come on, laugh, it's funny!
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Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 2:46 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Lisa,
What?!! Are you betting against getting fired or for being fired?
Cherie
Oh well. It's Friday and I have a bet going that I'll be fired by the end of
the day. If I do get fired today I win $500! Ha!
Have a great weekend everyone
Lisa
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 1:05 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Pondering Question of the Day-RESPECTcome on! give me an user who prefer we,
developers and dbas working in a decent way, instead of
get its job done "rigth now in this moment" and I'll shave my head and paint
it blue.
developers get crazy trying to solve a problem with users on the other side
of the phone yelling!
and that's first reason of messing everything up.
(ok, don't generalize)
users' bosses want the same.
why can't we talk about the complete organization? and why everybody thinks
developers and dbas as
separate things?
If you can't separate responsabilities and duties, well, it's an
organization problem
try to take an equilibrium and you'll be happy
Gabriel Galanternik
----- Original Message -----
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 1:10 PM
Lisa,
Rather than talking to the CTO about this go to the Dir, VP, or whatever of
the USERS of the system. In-fact he/she is the actual OWNER of the data in
the system. Explain to him/her how dangerous and devious the developers are
to the data. Talk about corruption, system downtime, partial and incomplete
restores. Use some technical DBA language to make them understand you have
the knowledge, but make sure you keep the message at a manager level of
understanding. Get them good and scared. Then when the developers are
asking for the free ride in production you have an advocate in high postion
that can put the CTO in a position of getting a backbone. When the COO
starts asking why his people can't work, or why the P/L statement is messed
up the CTO will start scrambling for a lockdown on production and more
comprehensive testing of new or enhanced code. Remember the politics. We
in the IT field are not the production organization we are the service
organization. When it comes to power struggles at the Cxx levels the
production/operations guys always beat the IT/IS guys. It's a mater of $$$
and performance in front of the CEO.
HTH
Rodd Holman
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:20 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
"Hello Oracle Guru"
Now why is it that I get more respect on the Internet than I do in my
workplace. ??
How many of you have this problem? It's like an ongoing fight with
developers, they want carte blanche in the production database, and they do
whatever they want EVEN THOUGH I tell them NO, let's do something different
that won't affect production. I go to the CTO because this is like the 3rd
time this has happened, and he sends out a
let's-be-sure-not-to-offend-anyone email. But the developer(s) will go
ahead and do what they want ANYWAY. I'm waiting for the first user-mistake
recovery to say STOP, I've had ENOUGH and this is how it's going to be, no
ifs, ands or buts.
My last job may have been a sweatshop, but at least people respected my
authority. Here, it's a free for all no matter what I do. Even when I say,
Dude, I own the database. If there's a problem, I have to fix it.
Therefore I say what happens in production and what doesn' t happen in
production.
And yes, I am looking for another position. I can only take this
dba/developer/janitor role for so long.
I'M SO GLAD IT'S FRIDAY... Bring on the Captain Morgan! It's noon
somewhere...
Lisa Rutland Koivu
Oracle Database Administrator
Qode.com
4850 North State Road 7
Suite G104
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33319
V: 954.484.3191, x174
F: 954.484.2933
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I have a bet going with our SA that I WILL be fired. He
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<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Come on, laugh, it's funny! </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Lisa,</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>What?!! Are you betting against getting fired or for being
fired?</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Cherie</FONT>
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<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Oh well. It's Friday and I have a bet going that I'll be fired
by the end of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the day. If I do get fired today I win $500!
Ha!</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Have a great weekend everyone</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Lisa</FONT>
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<BR>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 1:05 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Pondering Question of the Day-RESPECTcome on! give me an user
who prefer we,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>developers and dbas working in a decent way, instead of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>get its job done "rigth now in this moment" and I'll
shave my head and paint</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>it blue.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>developers get crazy trying to solve a problem with users on the
other side</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>of the phone yelling!</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and that's first reason of messing everything up.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>(ok, don't generalize)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>users' bosses want the same.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>why can't we talk about the complete organization? and why
everybody thinks</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>developers and dbas as</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>separate things?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>If you can't separate responsabilities and duties, well, it's
an</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>organization problem</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>try to take an equilibrium and you'll be happy</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Gabriel Galanternik</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>----- Original Message -----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 1:10 PM</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Lisa,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Rather than talking to the CTO about this go to the Dir, VP, or
whatever of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the USERS of the system. In-fact he/she is the actual
OWNER of the data in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the system. Explain to him/her how dangerous and devious
the developers are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to the data. Talk about corruption, system downtime,
partial and incomplete</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>restores. Use some technical DBA language to make them
understand you have</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the knowledge, but make sure you keep the message at a manager
level of</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>understanding. Get them good and scared. Then when
the developers are</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>asking for the free ride in production you have an advocate in
high postion</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>that can put the CTO in a position of getting a backbone.
When the COO</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>starts asking why his people can't work, or why the P/L
statement is messed</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>up the CTO will start scrambling for a lockdown on production
and more</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>comprehensive testing of new or enhanced code. Remember
the politics. We</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>in the IT field are not the production organization we are the
service</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>organization. When it comes to power struggles at the Cxx
levels the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>production/operations guys always beat the IT/IS guys.
It's a mater of $$$</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>and performance in front of the CEO.</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>HTH</FONT>
</P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>Rodd Holman</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Friday, February 02, 2001 9:20 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>"Hello Oracle Guru"</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Now why is it that I get more respect on the Internet than I do
in my</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>workplace. ??</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>How many of you have this problem? It's like an ongoing
fight with</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>developers, they want carte blanche in the production database,
and they do</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>whatever they want EVEN THOUGH I tell them NO, let's do
something different</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>that won't affect production. I go to the CTO because
this is like the 3rd</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>time this has happened, and he sends out a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>let's-be-sure-not-to-offend-anyone email. But the
developer(s) will go</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>ahead and do what they want ANYWAY. I'm waiting for the
first user-mistake</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>recovery to say STOP, I've had ENOUGH and this is how it's
going to be, no</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>ifs, ands or buts.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>My last job may have been a sweatshop, but at least people
respected my</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>authority. Here, it's a free for all no matter what I
do. Even when I say,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Dude, I own the database. If there's a problem, I have to
fix it.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Therefore I say what happens in production and what doesn' t
happen in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>production.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>And yes, I am looking for another position. I can only
take this</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>dba/developer/janitor role for so long.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>I'M SO GLAD IT'S FRIDAY... Bring on the Captain
Morgan! It's noon</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>somewhere...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Lisa Rutland Koivu</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Oracle Database Administrator</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Qode.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>4850 North State Road 7</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Suite G104</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Fort Lauderdale, FL 33319</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>V: 954.484.3191, x174</FONT>
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