There can be a situation when somebody with experience in IT - developer for
example, would like to do DBA job instead. Nothing bad to get OCP and try to
get a job - on the junior or middle level, not on senior level. I personally
know one person (not me :-) ) who from zero in IT (previous job had nothing
to do wit IT at all) became proficient Oracle DBA on HP UX. So it depends on
the person.
Alex Hillman
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Cherie,
OK, point well taken, so "silver bullet" would translate into
"the one item
that will succeed when no other does", "magic formula".
And, no he never did say he had an OCP, but he did say he was taking
a "course"
to get his OCP. To me having an OCP certificate without any
experience is
totally meaningless. All it tells me is that you can memorize
information and
take a test. It does not tell me that you'll hold up in a crisis or
that you
really understand the consequences of your actions. That experience
speaks
volumes more. Now someone with a number of years experience AND an
OCP
certificate is a different matter altogether. Consequently my
question, are new
people looking at the OCP as the gateway into a position that they
could not
otherwise get?
BTW: I'm not trying to either criticize or "brow beat" Xing. If
that impression
has been left, then I apologize. He asked a question, similar ones
I field in
house each day, and he was given an answer that is similar to the
ones I hand
out to my developers although I'd have given him the page number too
and a whole
lot less trash than Xing has gotten from this list. In my mind that
is
sufficient to the purpose. Now if that creates additional
questions, a much
longer dissertation on the results is in order.
Dick Goulet
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Dick/Lee/Joe,
I'm not trying to defend him but unless I have not yet recieved
a post in my mail, Xing never said he had an OCP. Plus, Lee,
I think you may need to define "silver bullet". It probably doesn't
translate for people who don't use English as a second language.
Cherie Machler
Gelco Information Network
(really too busy this morning migrating a database to be sticking my
nose
where it doesn't belong)
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Lee & Joe,
While I do agree that is possible one should try to figure these
things
out,
and this really is a simple one, there does come a time when asking
for
help is
appropriate. In this case Lee's answer is very much so. As far as
taking
an
OCP course, that does torque my jaws. Over the last two years we
must have
had
10 people looking for a job who's only mention of Oracle on their
resume is
that
they have their OCP certificate. Needless to say, not a one of them
has
been
invited in for an interview. I'll ask the question that's been
bugging me
for
some time, Xing, do you think this is some kind of "silver bullet"
to
getting a
job?
Dick Goulet
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Author: "Joseph S. Testa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 3/29/2001 4:05 AM
Lee, i'm with you 200%,
oh and for the original addressee(and others) if you can't figure
out
what the heck that simple pl/sql block is doing(or where to figure
it
out), then quit diluting the OCP worthiness, people who study just
to
take the OCP and have no experience just go to further the waste of
paper that the certificate is printed on. :)
joe
lerobe - Lee Robertson wrote:
>
> Xing,
>
> Have a look at the documentation, specifically, Application
Developers
> Guide, section dealing with "Using Procedures and Packages".
>
> No disrespect intended but sometimes, certainly for questions such
as
this,
> you will learn a heck of a lot more by digging around in the docs,
and
> reading (and working out) the answer for yourself. That is
certainly my
> experience. You will also fell encouraged to delve further and
learn more
> about other packages etc. Hope my pointer will help you.
>
> To the rest of you - I know it would have been quicker to write
down the
> answer to Xings question, but what will he have learned about the
general
> syntax ??
>
> Regards
>
> Lee
>
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>
> Hi DBAs and SAs,
>
> Can someone tell me what is this ORACLE PL/SQL Script all about,..
> Ya... I know I have to read alot, my OCP course will start next
month.
>
> BEGIN
> dbms_utility.analyze_schema ( '&OWNER', 'ESTIMATE', NULL, 5 ) ;
> END ;
> /
>
> Thank you
>
> Xing
>
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