Guy, 

Sidestepping the fact that you targeted your excellent 
reply to a person who has been disinvited from the list, 
I have to say it's one of the best posts I have read in 
a while ( on this "my daddy is going to beat up your daddy" 
OS trend ). 

I think most of us got into and stayed in this business 
because we like technology...tinkering...systems..figuring 
out how things work and making them better.  Somewhere 
along the line, we adopted "brand name" allegiances and
left behind our raw enthusiasm. Just my opinion...no bad 
vibes intended.

Personally, I am interested in seeing what the next twenty 
years bring. I can't wait to talk with my kids about the 
newest mindblowing technology in their world....wouldn't 
mind working on it,either....

....and I am pretty sure my kids will laugh at me when I
told them I actually used VMS, DOS, NT, and Unix. I might
even get interviewed for a Social Studies report on history.

Now *that's* living!

- Ross

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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 12:24 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


My $0.02: 

Unisys will build you a 99.999% available system, on NT. Boeing and
NASDAQ, two very serious organizations, use NT for their line of
business. I could go on and on, but I will summarize:

Whatever your Unix box can do, my old VMS box can do better. Uptime,
performance tuning, clustering, security, the works. I say this not to
brag, but merely to illustrate that if you let a sentimental attachment
to a technology cloud your judgment, you are destined for the scrap
heap.

If I had ca$h money to spend on new technology, I would consider your
advice tainted by a clear lack of objectivity. The issue is, the right
tool for the right job. It doesn't matter if technology XYZ is the
greatest. What matter is, can I get people to work on it? Can I afford
the hardware to run it on? Etc... there are a lot of businesses that do
not and will never need the kind of computing power that NASDAQ need...
and NT is good enough for them. Just like the average athlete doesn't
need the last Air Zoom Super Whiz, but they'll buy a pair of Nikes
anyway.

Personally, I think that OSs are just those silly things you need to run
Oracle on, and I can't wait until everything is an Oracle Appliance! :0)

g


-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:09 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Never said that. In fact if you read back a little further I
specifically
say "NT is good for the desktop." Or did your exchange server not
deliver
that message? Perhaps a nice little vb script held your outlook session
hostage and you werent able to get the e-mail. Good thing for reply
messages, right? All I'm saying is that NT really doesnt have a place in
a
5 9 env, pretty simple eh? When you reboot your laptop everynight, and
dont care about nasty memory leaks on your workstation with too much ram
cause you work for a fancy startup w/ too much venture capital, then NT
is
wonderful. Easy to use, and if you dont want to think and have a lot of
patience for things breaking that are beyond your control, and excellent
product for end users.
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