The Coast guard uses Unisys, too...but i don't
know where NT fits in to their front line systems.
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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 1:11 PM
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This is an interesting thread which seems to reappear at regular intervals.
I find it hard to believe that NT could be made 99.999% available at the
same cost and administration duties as any UNIX based server. Now, if I
cluster enough machines together I can probably make any Operating
System/Hardware combination viable. I think a lot of people have witnessed
a UNIX box that has not been down, whether scheduled or unscheduled, for two
years or more at a time. I've yet to see an NT box that can say the same.
Of course, I mean an NT box that is doing some real work, not just a file
server, mail server or the like. Put Oracle on NT and let a few hundred
users hit it for a couple of months and show me it hasn't crashed. Now,
take the same box and put Linux on it, combined with Oracle and perform the
same test. I think we all know what the results would be. Even Microsoft
admits the average "reboot" time between Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 2000
went all the way up to seven days. Wow, what a marketing gimmick they've
got there.
Of course this discussion fails to mention the fact the Windows NT is
inherently more insecure than UNIX. I suspect that all of our data is worth
more that the equipment it sits on.
Just my two cents worth. Help me......I'm booting......booting (Darn that
NT!!) :)
--Michael
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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2001 12:24 PM
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My $0.02:
Unisys will build you a 99.999% available system, on NT. Boeing and
NASDAQ, two very serious organizations, use NT for their line of
business. I could go on and on, but I will summarize:
Whatever your Unix box can do, my old VMS box can do better. Uptime,
performance tuning, clustering, security, the works. I say this not to
brag, but merely to illustrate that if you let a sentimental attachment
to a technology cloud your judgment, you are destined for the scrap
heap.
If I had ca$h money to spend on new technology, I would consider your
advice tainted by a clear lack of objectivity. The issue is, the right
tool for the right job. It doesn't matter if technology XYZ is the
greatest. What matter is, can I get people to work on it? Can I afford
the hardware to run it on? Etc... there are a lot of businesses that do
not and will never need the kind of computing power that NASDAQ need...
and NT is good enough for them. Just like the average athlete doesn't
need the last Air Zoom Super Whiz, but they'll buy a pair of Nikes
anyway.
Personally, I think that OSs are just those silly things you need to run
Oracle on, and I can't wait until everything is an Oracle Appliance! :0)
g
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Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 12:09 AM
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Never said that. In fact if you read back a little further I
specifically
say "NT is good for the desktop." Or did your exchange server not
deliver
that message? Perhaps a nice little vb script held your outlook session
hostage and you werent able to get the e-mail. Good thing for reply
messages, right? All I'm saying is that NT really doesnt have a place in
a
5 9 env, pretty simple eh? When you reboot your laptop everynight, and
dont care about nasty memory leaks on your workstation with too much ram
cause you work for a fancy startup w/ too much venture capital, then NT
is
wonderful. Easy to use, and if you dont want to think and have a lot of
patience for things breaking that are beyond your control, and excellent
product for end users.
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