David;
  My personal opinion is that it never did mater who I worked for (which
organization, which manager) as long as they were all good and my job what
what I expected.  I was a "Tech Support Analyst" for a long time.   But,
what I did was perform DBA duties on Oracle and DB2 databases as well as
System Administration duties  on AIX.  I was happy to just do my work and
not worry about the politics of who I worked for and what they called me.

That is ..... until I went job hunting.   At this point it was real hard to
get what I wanted as a DBA because I was not "officially" working as a DBA
for the company I wanted to leave.  

I finally talked to my boss (not telling him about the interviews, of
course) and ended up being transfered to the DBA group with the title of
Senior DBA.  This helped a lot.

--

In my current job I "officially" work for the DBAs but spend a lot of my
time working with the Development Team and the Systems Team.  At this point
in time I have a modified opion about jobs and titles .....  I still do not
care which department I work for, or who I work for .... just as long as I
get to do the job I was put here for ... and I have the title that goes
along with it.

As far as equal footing with Network Admins ....  if you are talking about
the guys who do the work, I would say yes.   If you are talking about the
guys who run the organization, I would say no.   That goes the same for
Development Managers.   I have never thought of a DBA as any kind of
management postion.   There should be someone over the dbas in an
organization to handle all the day to day political junk and let us do our
job.   If you are the only DBA .... then just find a spot and work for
whomever they are, as long as you can do your job.    If that is the IS
Manager ...great.   If its the development Manager ... so be it.


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I am wondering how my fellow DBA's fit into their IS organization.  My
situation is this.  I was hired just a little over a year ago as a DBA but
my official title is network programmer.  Except for some job scripting I
have not done any coding.  I am the only DBA for 5 Oracle databases and 4
SQL Server installations.  Currently my boss is the head of development.  I
work with the developers and with the network admins equally.  I sometimes
feel a bit of a conflict with me being under the developers.  I have been
thinking about approaching the VP of IS about having me be under him rather
than being under development.  I feel I need to have equal footing with the
development managers and with the network admins.  Right now I am kind in
limbo with no real authority.
So anyway, I am just wondering where you fit in your organization and what
is the appropriate place for the DBA.
And yes I got called into work.  Sucks to be me today.  :o)

Thanks,

Dave
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