and is incorrect in the first place! Bill Gentry DBA Allina Health System Minneapolis, MN 55403 612-775-1190 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 12:50 PM
> A problem with RTFM is when the manual is over 10,000 pages long. > > Regards, > Patrice Boivin > Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 2:15 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: RE: database administration questions > > > Yeah, once they find out this job isn't a cakewalk, they vanish. > > For those that: > > * live for challenge > * are afraid of nothing and not intimidated by complexity > * make that, 'love complexity' ;) > * can't forget about a problem until it's fixed > * willing to RTFM til they drop > * design and execute tests to understand how things work > * RTFM some more > * drive technology. Hey, there's more to a good DBA than databases. > * did I mention RTFM? > * learn from their mistakes > * admit they make mistakes > * RTFM to minimize mistakes > > All others need not apply. > > Jared > > "No guts, no glory" ;) > > > > > > "Kimberly > > Smith" To: Multiple recipients of > list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <ksmith2@myfirs cc: > > tlink.net> Subject: RE: RE: database > administration questions > Sent by: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > m > > > > > > 12/27/01 09:00 > > AM > > Please respond > > to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > You need to find some new cooks then. > > -----Original Message----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 6:50 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > In our shop we've tried the cross training tact. Problem was that those > who > accepted the challenge could not take the heat, so they left the kitchen. > Damn!!! > > Dick Goulet > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Author: "CHAN Chor Ling Catherine (CSC)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 12/26/2001 4:50 PM > > I quite agree with Kimberly. I used to be a full-fledge Oracle programmer > but wanted to dabble with database administration. I asked my boss whether > I > could be a database administrator. His answer is yes but I still need to > maintain my current systems. Now, I am a database > administrator-cum-programmer. I support turnkey projects, automate > processes for my users, maintain current projects, install/maintain > database > & support Oracle Applications etc. > > Prepare for lots of OT but what the heck, U will get to learn a lots of > interesting things in the process .... > > New Bees > -----Original Message----- > From: Kimberly Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2001 1:40 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: database administration questions > > If you work on a site like I do you could always cross > train. I am always > looking for suckers (um, people) to be my backup. Right > now > I use one from > the Unix team and one from the development team. Its the > only way I get to > take vacations and what no. Check with your current DBA > and > see if they are > willing to train you while you are off doing your 'real' > job. Of course, > there are some folks who are worried about job security (or > are just > assholes) > and they would not give you the time of day. You don't > want > to learn from > those folks anyway. The excuse, "I'm too busy" is not > really valid either. > Training someone allowed me to offload some of my work. > > -----Original Message----- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2001 5:30 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > With your current background, your more likely to land a > job > as a network > administrator LONG before you'll end up in a database > position. Access is > still > looked on as a single user system and frankly I haven't run > into any large > scale > applications that use it, period. One of my current tasks > is working with a > forecasting package that states in the manual that Access > should only be > used > for the demos. Any other application of the package should > use Oracle or > DB2. > Also a SPC (Statistical Process Control, for those who > don't > know, don't ask > further) package we're evaluating (actually two of them) > won't work with > Access > even for the demos. Therefore, I'd suggest staying with > the > networking > world. > It will be around as long as database administration, if > not > longer. Your > already trained and certified, and getting a Cisco > certification is no small > feat. If you really want to move into database admin, your > probably looking > at > 2 to 3 years of learning and smaller paychecks as you pay > your dues. > > BTW: A database restore usually takes a lot longer than > fixing a network > outage, > to boot. > > Dick Goulet > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Author: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 12/23/2001 11:15 PM > > Hi! > I'm looking into getting into the field of Database > Administrating. Right > now, I have experience with MS Access and have created > several databases for > companies that I have worked with in the past with Access. > > I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next logical > step for me, I > would > think, would be in database field. However, I also have > some networking > knowledge (Cisco certified...). So, I'm looking into the > advantages of both > fields. I have some questions & I'm not sure who to ask or > where to get my > answers. But, here they go: > > Questions for a Database Administrator: > > 1) What is your typical workday like? > 2) Do you work a lot of overtime? > 3) What are the most valuable databse programs to learn? > 4) If I was to look into learning these, should I take > classes? Where would > you recommend I look for classes in the Los Angeles area? > 5) What language, if any, are important (Java, XML, Visual > Basic, etc.)? > 6) What programs are starting to get obsolete? > 7) Is it worth it to get vendor certifications (Microsoft, > Oracle)? If so, > are there certain books that you recommend to study? > 8) Is it worth it to get a degree? If so, what specific > one? > 9) Are there any other programs or technologies that are > valuable to learn? > 10) Are there any associations or other groups that you > belong to as a DBA? > 11) What kinds of companies hire DBAs? > 12) What companies do you recommed to work for? Know of > any > currently > hiring? > 13) With my background, what is the best way to advance and > work my way into > a real DBA position? > > Thank you, whom ever reads this and answers back with at > least some answers > to some of the questions. I really appreciate your help!!! > Please, respond to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > smiles, > me > > thank you! > > <HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT SIZE=2>Hi! > <BR>I'm looking into getting into the field of Database > Administrating. > Right now, I have experience with MS Access and have > created several > databases for companies that I have worked with in the past > with Access. > <BR> > <BR>I'm looking for a jump in my career and the next > logical > step for me, I > would think, would be in database field. However, I > also have some > networking knowledge (Cisco certified...). So, I'm > looking into the > advantages of both fields. I have some questions > & > I'm not sure > who to > ask or where to get my answers. But, here they go: > > <BR> > <BR>Questions for a Database Administrator: > <BR> > <BR>1) What is your typical workday like? > <BR>2) Do you work a lot of overtime? > <BR>3) What are the most valuable databse programs to > learn? > <BR>4) If I was to look into learning these, should I take > classes? > Where > would you recommend I look for classes in the Los Angeles > area? > <BR>5) What language, if any, are important (Java, XML, > Visual Basic, etc.)? > <BR>6) What programs are starting to get obsolete? > <BR>7) Is it worth it to get vendor certifications > (Microsoft, Oracle)? If > so, > are there certain books that you recommend to study? > <BR>8) Is it worth it to get a degree? If so, what > specific one? > <BR>9) Are there any other programs or technologies that > are > valuable to > learn? > <BR>10) Are there any associations or other groups that you > belong to as a > DBA? > <BR>11) What kinds of companies hire DBAs? > <BR>12) What companies do you recommed to work for? > Know of any > currently > hiring? > <BR>13) With my background, what is the best way to advance > and work my way > into > a real DBA position? > <BR> > <BR>Thank you, whom ever reads this and answers back with > at > least some > answers > to some of the questions. I really appreciate your > help!!! > <BR>Please, respond to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] > <BR> > <BR>smiles, > <BR>me > <BR> > <BR>thank you!</FONT></HTML> > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) > 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / > Mailing Lists > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail > message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > 'ListGuru') > and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). > You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like > subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Kimberly Smith > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) > 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / > Mailing Lists > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail > message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > 'ListGuru') > and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). > You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like > subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: CHAN Chor Ling Catherine (CSC) > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Kimberly Smith > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Boivin, Patrice J > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bill Gentry INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
