and I should have finished with
....and he seems to know what he's talking about......
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You use that word like it's a *bad* thing to be. 8^)
-Roy
(Who was originally tempted to say: "Look DBA, that SQL's coming to your
server--we can do it easy, or we can do it hard, but it's coming. Do you
want to have to sleuth out why your db is dog-slow every day at 3:30 when my
users are running the report I gave them, or do you want to see what I'm
planning to do up front & have a chance to kibbitz?
But who also knows better than to say things like that to the DBA.)
Roy Pardee
Programmer/Analyst
SWFPAC Lockheed Martin IT
Extension 8487
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uh-oh... a PROGRAMMER has been lurking.......
:)
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It seems to me that you're not dinging views per se here--you're against the
dev's intended use of production data. So if those same SELECT statements
that make up the view were instead baked into the crystal report file & sent
anew every time the report was executed, it'd be the same problem (maybe
worse, since now you're parsing the SQL & planning execution more
frequently?). You buy that?
Cheers,
-Roy
Roy Pardee
Programmer/Analyst
SWFPAC Lockheed Martin IT
Extension 8487
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IMO views are often used as a substitute for creating reporting
structures.
Using views makes for easy report/SQL creation, but tends to be a
tuning and performance nightmare. It's hard to tune, and will likely
never perform well.
I'm going through similar issues here right now. A number of users
need to do reporting on production data. No way, no how will they
be allowed to do it on the production database. It's a manufacturing
database and performance is critical to this system.
I've done some prototypes of the tables they need to report on. Basically
a copy of the production tables in another database. Those that have a
long refresh cycle ( 1+ days ) get bitmap indexes on most columns. Those
that need to be close to realtime get Btree indexes instead and will be
refreshed every few minutes ( refresh time pending negotiation with users
:).
This is not exactly a data mart as I would like to have it: no star
schemas.
But it's what I have time for right now, gets the reports off of
production and
is *much* faster to query.
HTH
Jared
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Subject: Anybody against using views?
We have several applications that use views extensively. On the other
hand
there are several apps that use no views at all. We have a new developer
who wants to use views when writing reports in Crystal Reports. The
application administrator is leery of using views and ask the DBA group
what
we think. I can see several reasons to use views and a few reasons not to
use them. I was just wondering what the rest of the group thought.
Ron Smith
DBA
Kerr-McGee Corp
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