I used to be a hot backup scripter hack like Dave  :-)  but now I've been
backing up... AND RECOVERING with RMAN for a few years. 

Setup is the most difficult part but after several times now I'm starting to
get the hang of it. You can use the sbttest utility without having to relink
Oracle so you can test (partially) the MML before doing RMAN. I tend to
think that doing an RMAN "restore database validate" is not enough... I like
to actually restore a datafile before I pronounce the backup ready for prime
time. I just did that about 30 minutes ago on a RMAN tape backup for a new
server. 

The troubleshooting chapter in the RMAN manual is pretty good but it's 35
pages so that confirms that setup can be an ordeal.


Steve Orr
Bozeman, MT



-----Original Message-----
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 11:18 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Dave, 

I never said setup was easy.  I agree that getting the tape software
integrated can be a real pain in the side, depending on what vendor you use
(DON'T USE CA'S ARCSERVE)

As far as backup goes, this is my command for full database backup.  Much
simpler than strategies I've had to use in the past:

run { 

allocate channel tape1 type 'sbt_tape'
format '%d_%s_%p_%t.rman';

backup database 
tag='full_db_backup'
setsize 5000000;

}

Since I don't have the luxury of a catalog database at my disposal, I can't
store scripts so my alter system archive log all statement, backup
archivelogs and controlfile are separate run statements.  

Here's the simplest part.  I have tested recovery from several scenarios
with just the following commands:

restore database;
recover database;

and watched rman bring back the necessary archive logs and database files.
Now that is simple if you ask me, especially if I happen to be half-asleep
when I need to do this. 


Lisa Koivu
Oracle Database Baby Oven.
Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
954-935-4117


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Morgan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:41 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:      RE: RMAN
> 
> Hi Lisa,
>         RMAN easy? ROTFL
> 
>         ksh scripts, 5 minutes to adjust environment variables done
> 
>         RMAN, let see create a seperate database, set up RMAN, oh, then
>         I have to set up RMAN in the production db to protect my RMAN db
>         
>         Oh and then shall we integrate Legato or NetBackup.
> 
>         2 days minimum.
> 
>         Having said this, remember, who needs backups? We just need
> recoveries.
> 
>         I use RMAN, I just don't trust it. I have had situations (8.0.5)
> where
>         I could not recover with RMAN but could with the backups from
> scripts
> 
>         RMAN and OEM belong in the same place, the garbage
> 
>         Long live vi, ksh/sh/bash and sqlplus
> 
> Dave
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