Hi Kimberly, we are on 8.1.7.  Like I said below, we are stuck with Arcserve
(and limited to 8.1.* because of that).  However, I've decided to backup to
disk and then let Arcserve grab the datasets and write them to tape.  I was
able to integrate rman and Arcserve but it was soooooo slow, and since
neither CA nor the sysadmin could tell me what is involved with backup by
proxy, I said thanks but no thanks. 

I wish we could go to 9.x.  I have a feeling it will be a while.  

Good luck and happy hunting with 9!  I'm jealous. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kimberly Smith [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 9:48 PM
> To:   Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> Subject:      RE: RMAN
> 
> Lisa,
> What version of Oracle are you using?  We are toying with using RMAN to
> backup our 9i databases.  We are using Legato so I am figuring the
> integration will be pretty good.  I never really felt the need to give up
> my
> scripts before but then again, I was always able to back up to disk or
> shut
> the database down.  No longer the case.  Plus, 9i RMAN offers block level
> recovery, which peaked my interest.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2002 10:18 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> I never said setup was easy.  I agree that getting the tape software
> integrated can be a real pain in the side, depending on what vendor you
> use
> (DON'T USE CA'S ARCSERVE)
> 
> As far as backup goes, this is my command for full database backup.  Much
> simpler than strategies I've had to use in the past:
> 
> run {
> 
> allocate channel tape1 type 'sbt_tape'
> format '%d_%s_%p_%t.rman';
> 
> backup database
> tag='full_db_backup'
> setsize 5000000;
> 
> }
> 
> Since I don't have the luxury of a catalog database at my disposal, I
> can't
> store scripts so my alter system archive log all statement, backup
> archivelogs and controlfile are separate run statements.
> 
> Here's the simplest part.  I have tested recovery from several scenarios
> with just the following commands:
> 
> restore database;
> recover database;
> 
> and watched rman bring back the necessary archive logs and database files.
> Now that is simple if you ask me, especially if I happen to be half-asleep
> when I need to do this.
> 
> 
> Lisa Koivu
> Oracle Database Baby Oven.
> Fairfield Resorts, Inc.
> 954-935-4117
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:       Dave Morgan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent:       Wednesday, April 03, 2002 12:41 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject:    RE: RMAN
> >
> > Hi Lisa,
> >         RMAN easy? ROTFL
> >
> >         ksh scripts, 5 minutes to adjust environment variables done
> >
> >         RMAN, let see create a seperate database, set up RMAN, oh, then
> >         I have to set up RMAN in the production db to protect my RMAN db
> >
> >         Oh and then shall we integrate Legato or NetBackup.
> >
> >         2 days minimum.
> >
> >         Having said this, remember, who needs backups? We just need
> > recoveries.
> >
> >         I use RMAN, I just don't trust it. I have had situations (8.0.5)
> > where
> >         I could not recover with RMAN but could with the backups from
> > scripts
> >
> >         RMAN and OEM belong in the same place, the garbage
> >
> >         Long live vi, ksh/sh/bash and sqlplus
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > Lisa wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Gene's afraid of R-Man!
> > > Gene's afraid of R-Man!
> > >
> > > Gene you will not believe how simple RMAN is once you start using
> it...
> > >
> > --
> > Dave Morgan
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