What's your mailing address? I can make the arrangements for you. Ken Janusz,CPIM
----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 8:33 AM > so sweet. so deluded. > > I'm one of the chronological seniors here.. not the oldest I've found > but close > > on the other hand, AARP (American Association of Retired People) hasn't > started sending me their propaganda yet > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I didn't know that they gave Managers jobs to people under 20 :-) > > > > Cheers > > > > > > -- > > ================================================= > > Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Technical Consultant WWW: http://www.mincom.com > > APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 > > Brisbane, Australia Mobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 > > Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 > > ================================================= > > A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. > > > > - Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) > > ================================================= > > Mincom "The People, The Experience, The Vision" > > > > ================================================= > > > > This transmission is for the intended addressee only and is > > confidential > > information. If you have received this transmission in error, please > > delete it and notify the sender. The contents of this e-mail are the > > opinion of the writer only and are not endorsed by the Mincom Group > > of > > companies unless expressly stated otherwise. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rachel Carmichael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > 22-07-2002 07:08 PM > > Please respond to ORACLE-L > > > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > cc: > > Fax to: > > Subject: RE: Rant-Rant > > > > > > Oh I know. I was lucky my last job, we had two full-time DBAs (one > > senior - me, and one junior/mid) and one senior DBA consultant. > > > > I *did* look at my boss last week and said "I no longer work 20 hour > > days". > > > > Not that I had to. He's good, he's very adamant about the fact that > > if > > there is too much work for one person, we will either hire > > consultants > > or the deadlines will be changed. I'd fall in love with him but he's > > way too young for me. :) > > > > > > --- "Mercadante, Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Rachel, > > > > > > you are actually proving my point - that a company does not have > > the > > > luxury > > > (or common sense) to have more than one DBA on staff. > > > > > > Robert's utopia just doesn't fly in todays world. hire one person > > > and > > > work-em till they drop is the current motto. > > > > > > Tom Mercadante > > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 3:24 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > >The only problem with your idea that I see is that a typical > > > >organization > > > >will only keep one (or so) DBA on staff per project - they rarely > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > excuse me while I wipe the Diet Coke off the screen that I spit out > > > when I read this. One DBA per project? Oh God that would be a > > luxury > > > beyond belief. > > > > > > As I type this I am the DBA for: > > > > > > a new data mart/data warehouse project > > > a new content management system project > > > a new ecommerce project > > > the existing "universal login" project AND the replacement project > > > the existing asset management application > > > the existing "community" site (bulletin boards) > > > > > > and anything else that needs a DBA ... and I am it, ain't no other > > > DBAs > > > around ...... > > > > > > oh yeah, I'm the data architect and data modeler on half these as > > > well... which is REALLY funny as I have almost zero data modeling > > > experience, other than "common sense" > > > > > > > > > --- "Mercadante, Thomas F" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > OMG! A Socialist in the group! > > > > > > > > "I believe that if we think about these things in a way that we > > ask > > > > > > > ourselves how can I maximize the potential of this person in our > > > > organization, pay him/her a fair wage for what they can do, and > > > free > > > > up my > > > > time to address the really gnarly stuff we can help our entire > > > > society > > > > better transition to the information era and not marginalize a > > > bunch > > > > of > > > > great people in the process." > > > > > > > > The only problem with your idea that I see is that a typical > > > > organization > > > > will only keep one (or so) DBA on staff per project - they rarely > > > > have the > > > > cash for multiple people. So a DBA ends up getting called upon > > do > > > > cross the > > > > boundary between very technical stuff as part of the SA group and > > > > data > > > > access/design with the applications group. Lots of room in > > between > > > > here for > > > > talented people. > > > > > > > > Tom Mercadante > > > > Oracle Certified Professional > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 1:23 PM > > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been reading this list for the past several months as I > > > > prepare to > > > > move my universe of databases from 7.3 to 9 (probably 9) and I > > have > > > a > > > > rant > > > > of my own. > > > > > > > > It seems that the implicit expectation is that every DBA should > > be > > > or > > > > > > > > should aspire to be a Master Technical DBA. > > > > I have a slightly different take on the situation. It is a > > little > > > > convoluted but I believe that the DBA world needs some additional > > > job > > > > > > > > classifications. In a decent sized organization, the day to day > > > > management > > > > functions should be accomplished by an Admin DBA who might be > > > someone > > > > who > > > > was perfectly happy spending his/her working career operating a > > > > precision > > > > milling machine at Boeing. Since the machinist jobs are going > > away, > > > I > > > > see > > > > no reason why a competent machinist could not become a competent > > > > admin DBA. > > > > Such a person is not suited by aptitude or disposition to become > > a > > > > Master > > > > Technical DBA, but would do a great job at the admin level. > > > > > > > > I'll extend the analogy a little more: the manufacturing > > > organization > > > > does > > > > not expect the machinist to program the machine. They either have > > > on > > > > staff > > > > or bring in a numerical control programming specialist. > > Similarly, > > > > the > > > > Admin DBA should know which tasks he/she can perform and which > > > tasks > > > > should > > > > be kicked up or out to the next level. > > > === message truncated === > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Rachel Carmichael > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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