I agree! Stick it to 'em. They do it to us all the time. Ruth ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:24 PM
> From Oracle's Terms of Use on Metalink... > > "Confidentiality > --------------- > Except for information in Web sites controlled by third parties that are > accessible via hyperlinks from the MetaLink Web site, the information > contained in the Materials is the confidential proprietary information of > Oracle. You may not use, disclose, reproduce, transmit, or otherwise copy in > any form or by any means the information contained in the Materials for any > purpose, other than to support your authorized use of the Oracle Programs > for which you hold a supported license from Oracle, without the prior > written permission of Oracle. Oracle will take reasonable measures to keep > third parties from obtaining unauthorized access to Technical Assistance > Requests (TARs) that you submit using the MetaLink Web site; however, Oracle > does not guarantee that third parties will not have access to any > information, comments, feedback, or materials that you submit to Oracle > through or in association with the MetaLink Web site." > > Oracle claims ownership of Jared's script, which it cannot do since it does > not own the copy rights. Check copyright law, but there is a strong case for > copyright infringement. There is a difference between passing copyrighted > material on to others (giving someone a book) and claiming ownership (Look, > ma, I just wrote this great play called 'Romeo and Juliet'). If Oracle had > placed a copyright notice or attibution for Jared, I think they are okay, > but they are passing the script as one of their own. > > On the non-legal side, to me there is a big difference between being used by > a corporation and used by an individual or other. Any/all of my > scripts/documents on my website are available for use by anyone who so > desires for their personal use. If I find that one of my presentation > becomes part of Jim-Bob's Oracle Consulting Training classes, we are going > to have to have a talk about fair use. Even if they preserve my copyright > and/or attribution, they are using it for material gain. Since Oracle > charges for support and access to Metalink, there may be a case. If they had > posted it to OTN or Oracle Mag, which is free to use, it is another story. > > Go Get 'Em Jared! > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:09 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Dick, > > the difference is that Oracle is a corporation that is making money on > someone else's work. they are quick to hammer the people we work for over > license issues and, in this case, use someone elses work as a part of their > software suite. > > it's not right. > > Tom Mercadante > Oracle Certified Professional > > > -----Original Message----- > Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:45 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Jared, > > Should you be irritated? I've had some of the things I published on the > list put out as gospel elsewhere with my name attached & it's been a real > pain > in the ^^$. I don't know. I think I'd feel flattered and relieved that no > one > knows where it came from. > > Dick Goulet > > ____________________Reply Separator____________________ > Author: Jared Still <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 10/10/2002 7:19 AM > > > Not interested in compensation. Just a litte irritated that > the only change to the script was to remove my name. > > Jared > > On Thursday 10 October 2002 04:08, Rachel Carmichael wrote: > > you put the code out in the world without a comment in it about copying > > is not allowed and you've made it free for the taking. > > > > Compensation isn't likely. Credit is definitely due and should be > > given. > > > > --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Jared, > > > You should feel upset as well as flattered. In my view you have a > > > strong > > > case against Oracle for some form of compensation, as a minimum you > > > should > > > be credited in the article. > > > Whether you can win against a big corporation is another matter of > > > course. > > > I and many others can confirm that the document has been on your site > > > for at > > > least 3 - 4 years (although they state the article to be originally > > > dated > > > 1998). > > > > > > I would certainly be in contact with Oracle about this. Perhaps a > > > good > > > starting point would be your sales rep or contact at wherever you are > > > working now. > > > > > > John > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Sent: 10 October 2002 08:13 > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear list, > > > > > > I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. > > > > > > While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across > > > document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to > > > dump a table to an ascii file. > > > > > http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_data > >b > > > > > ase_id=NOT&p_id=1050919.6 > > > > > > I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I > > > saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was > > > rather reminiscent of file names I use. > > > > > > Further perusal revealed that the comments were written > > > by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to > > > the dump.sql script years ago. > > > > > > See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql > > > > > > I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. > > > > > > Jared > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > > > -- > > > Author: Jared Still > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). 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