Ray,

    Sometimes humor is the best medecine when one feels powerless.  I for one
would love to dump this M$ desktop infavor of a Lindows or Linux desktop.  But
we all have to suffer with the lack of applications that support those
platforms.  Hopefully in a couple of years, now that Lindows is actually
releasing a product, that may change & I'll love it.

Dick Goulet

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Date:       11/15/2002 8:59 AM

On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 05:59:06AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> OH, talk about cruel and unusual punishment!!  For the fish that is.


It is interesting that so many people feel this way and yet the topic
is reduced to joking, as if it is not possible (or really desirable) to
replace technology.  MVS systems programmers couldn't envision life
without an IBM mainframe a few years ago.  I asked the desktop question
because we are exploring this path due to huge budget issues and the
million dollar invoice to M$ is due.  I wanted to see if the Oracle
world had anything going on the topic.  Guess not.

Star and Open Office advances seem to be milestones in this arena.
I believe we will move some % of our admin desktops to linux this 
year as a pilot.  Departments can't afford the price of upgrading
their office software, they will try the open versions to see
what happens.

Interesting bullets:

The EU is studying the conversion of member goverment desktops:

www.globetechnology.com/servlet/ArticleNews/einsider/RTGAM/20021104/gtopenms/ein
sider/

 The European Union awarded on Thursday a $249,000 (U.S.) contract to
 U.K.-based system-integrator Netproject to study the feasibility of
 moving the information systems of several member countries'
 governments to the Linux operating system from Microsoft's Windows
 OS.

www.netproject.co.uk/opendesktop.html

 "The USA National Security Agency's white paper 'The Inevitability of
 Failure: The Flawed Assumption of Security in Modern Computing
 Environments' should be read by all who are concernd with achieving
 secure systems that enable e-business. This is at
 www.nsa.gov/selinux/inevit-abs.html."


...waiting for the 9.2.0.2 patch to finish on my Mandrake 9 desktop (see, 
it's not off topic! ;)







> Dick Goulet
> 
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> Author: "Gogala; Mladen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date:       11/14/2002 1:38 PM
> 
> Well, once upon a time there was an event called Boston Tea Party
> which dealt with too expensive product of low quality delivered by 
> a monopoly. I wonder whether we can expect Seattle Windows Party?
> Would that be too cruel to the fish in Seattle harbor?
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:dgoulet@;vicr.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:44 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> > Subject: Re:RE: dumping microsoft desktop?
> > 
> > 
> > David,
> > 
> >     Just like beauty, winning or loosing in a lawsuit is in 
> > the eye of the
> > beholder.  Actually in MicroSlop's case it was the justice 
> > department that
> > bailed and more than likely King George who sat on the judge. 
> >  You got to love
> > those political action committees and their BIG donors!!  In 
> > politics money
> > talks louder than anything else.
> > 
> > Dick Goulet
> > 
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> > 
> > > Both answers a are expected to be "No". The lawsuit is
> > > expected to be dropped. But who knows. They won
> > > antitrust case after all.
> > > 
> > > Nick
> > > 
> > 
> > I know it *seems* like they won, but Microsoft actually lost 
> > the antitrust
> > case. :-(
> > 
> > Dave
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