...um, if you say so.  That really didn't answer my question, though...

I hope that your solution did not include assigning users SYSDBA privileges
in order to merely track/audit them?

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> Tim / All.
>
> I figured it out.
>
> Basically assign users SYSDBA privies and track accordingly.
>
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>
> please be a little more specific?  what exactly is it that oracle won't
do?
>
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> > Tim - Thanks for the well worded response.  Very, very helpful.
> >
> > So my next question:  Are there any 3rd party applications available to
do
> > what Oracle won't?
> >
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> >
> > SYSDBA activities are not logged to the SYS.AUD$ table, even in Oracle9i
> > with the AUDIT_SYS_OPERATIONS parameter set to TRUE.  SYSDBA operations
> are
> > always logged to the OS audit trail, including access/modifications to
the
> > SYS.AUD$ table...
> >
> > The reason that these records are only logged to the audit trail
(previous
> > to Oracle9i, only connections as SYSDBA were logged) is because that is
> the
> > only way to protect the audit records review and (especially!)
alteration
> > from people with SYSDBA privilege.  Someone with SYSDBA could alway muck
> > with the contents of the SYS.AUD$ table, but they would not necessarily
> have
> > OS permissions to alter the audit records sent to the OS.
> >
> > ..which is why the command CONNECT INTERNAL went away with Oracle9i, to
> > remove the last necessity for DBAs to be members of the OSDBA and OSOPER
> > groups in the OS.  Now, with 9i and CONNECT ... AS SYSDBA commands, you
> can
> > "lock down" the OS account and account-group that owns the Oracle
software
> > away from those with SYSDBA privileges, thus protecting the software
> > distribution files, log files, trace files, and audit files from casual
> > modification, if desired...
> >
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> >
> > > Hello All,
> > >
> > > Do any of you have suggestions for a good way to monitor sysdba user
> > > activities on the sys.aud$ table?  Or, in terms of logging everything,
> > what
> > > would be the keypoints to log scrub on?
> > >
> > > Any suggestions would be wonderful.
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