You keep putting me into a class in which I do not belong -- but I thank you.
I have OCP through 8i, but only because I made it a point of honor to see if I could pass the exams without ever studying for them, and, in the case of the 8 and 8i certification, without ever having seen a database running in those versions. (I take standardized tests REALLY well). I have no intention of gathering further pieces of paper. But I also plan at some point to leave this field, so I will be gathering different bits of paper instead. --- Rodd Holman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In addition, some non-tech HR wag does their screening of applicants > based on > OCP, Oracle Master's, or some such certification. Yes, certification > is an > issue whether or not it has technical merit. When it comes at a > price that > many of us can't personnaly afford, it's a very BIG issue. I don't > know if > Rachel, Carey, and the rest of the "Real Masters" have their piece of > paper > from Oracle, but can you imagine them being screened out from a > position > because someone who is not in the community and doesn't know their > rep's > round files thier resume/CV because it's missing the appropriate > letters > after their name? Attrocious! > > I'm all for Oracle making money, just not at the expense of their > proponents. > As Mladen states PostgreSQL is starting to look pretty good. MySQL > is also > gaining headway. > > -- > Rodd Holman > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Thursday 04 September 2003 11:54, Mladen Gogala wrote: > > My complaint is not based on moral grounds. My complaint is that > Oracle's > > greed is interfering > > with my own. There is drastic difference in the behavior of Oracle > Corp. > > from the times before > > Oracle 8.0 and after. Support has worsened, the quality of the code > is > > falling, bugs are more > > and more numerous and serious, vaporware is a commonplace (OEM > Change > > Management pack, OID) > > and there are new and new certifications to make to stay in less > and less > > lucrative business. > > You're right, I have decisions to make: to stay in oracle DBA > business or > > to move on. I believe > > that less and less opportunity to make money in that market is > going to > > force me to move out. > > As for application development business, we've just seen what > happens when > > somebody's > > successful: an out of control giant takes him down, or at least > tries to > > so. I'm not > > proposing socialism, as a citizen of a former communist country I'm > more > > disgusted with > > the communism then you'll ever be, what I will do is to move on to > the > > market which doesn't > > have a greedy giant which wants a cut in everything I make. It's as > simple > > as that. > > Oracle started to behave as if it was a monopoly. Guess what, > monopolies > > are the > > reason which compelled me to switch to Linux. I can do it again. My > message > > is > > that Oracle is no longer friendly to the techies that were > spreading the > > good word, > > and, as far as I'm concerned, the techies are looking for exit. > Good luck > > to you > > and Larry. > > > > -- > > Mladen Gogala > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:36 AM > > To: 'Mladen Gogala '; 'Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ' > > > > > > With respect to all of you out there... I hear so many complaints > about > > greedy Oracle, and about having to take a class to get certified > and the > > dollar cost of that. I remind you folks that Oracle is a for profit > > venture. It's not Oracle's responsibility to make anything > affordable. It's > > the responsibility of Oracle to generate revenue, it is the > expectation of > > Oracle shareholders (of which I am one) that Oracle will do such a > thing. I > > don't care if Larry is the 6th richest guy in the universe, so > what? Why > > does that compel him to give you anything? > > > > It's all pure market driven. If people stop signing up for classes > or OCP > > exams, Oracle will in quick fashion figure out why and change > things. If > > people keep signing up for classes and taking the OCP, then viola, > they > > have hit the sweet spot and will generate some revenue too. > > > > Socialism doesn't work folks, let's face it. If the OCP Masters > credentials > > are worth the money, then spend it. If they are not, don't spend > it. If > > enough people don't spend the money, then something will happen. > Thats how > > a market driven economy works. > > > > RF > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Rodd Holman > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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