Dennis,

Thank you for this.

BTW, I like your signature.  :-)  I think it sums up quite a number of
us.

Best regards,
Melanie

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DENNIS WILLIAMS
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:45 AM
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Melanie
   The story I got from an Oracle instructor was that somebody was
bragging
about how they passed the OCP without ever logging into Oracle. I guess
this
caused some consternation in Redwood Shores. The quickest fix was to
require
everyone to take one class. When I asked the instructor if that meant
that
all instructors were to ensure that each student logged into Oracle, he
just
smiled.

Dennis Williams
DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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This is most likely the reason Oracle has now made it a requirement.
Otherwise, who would ever take a course?

        -----Original Message----- 
        From: M Rafiq [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
        Sent: Tue 9/16/2003 11:54 PM 
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        Subject: RE: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
        
        

        Not really, most of DBA on this list did their OCP without any
Oracle formal
        training. Use your experience on that version, study relevant
material or
        available books/docs, do practice of STS test questions and then
you
are
        pretty much ready for exam.
        
        I did my OCP from 7. to 9i without attending and formal course
and
passed in
        first attempt....
        
        Regards
        Rafiq
        
        
        
        
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        Does anyone other than Oracle truely believe that a course is
necessary if
        you can pass the exam?
        
        
        
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        Sent: Wednesday, 17 September 2003 8:50 AM
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        One may as well get used to putting forth some extra expenditure
when
        getting certified now.
        
        The publisher, Coriolis, went under.
        
        And now Oracle is requiring that you complete at least one of
their
prep
        courses (irrespective of whether you believe you need it or not)
in
        order to become OCP-certified for 9i.
        
        
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        they are not outstanding. they are ok? They are also expensive.
I
have
        found the Coriolis books to be better than the Osborne books in
quality.
        They dont have 9i ones. you can get the 8.0/8i ones for $9/each
at
        maryland-merchant.com
        
        Im using those myself, then the docs. I didnt like the osborne
books.
         >
         > From: "Rajesh Dayal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
         > Date: 2003/09/16 Tue AM 10:09:24 EDT
         > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
         > Subject: RE: Oracle Press OCP exam guide frustrations
         >
         > Try out self study materials from
http://www.selftestsoftware.com
they
        are simply outstanding.
         > I have always found them helpful for all my exams. But at
same
time I
        never totally rely on them,
         > I first complete my ground work with standard syllabus
(available
on
        Oracle OCP site) and Oracle
         > Documentation then only I Open them ;-).
         >
         > HTH,
         >
         > Rajesh Dayal
         > Senior Oracle DBA (OCP 8,8i,9i)
         > International Information Technology Company LLC
         >
         >
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         >
         > All,
         >
         > I just purchased a Oracle9i Fundamentals I exam guide
published
by
        Oracle
         > Press and am very disappointed with the quality of the
publication.
        There
         > seems to be quite a few mistakes, misleading sentences and
typos
(not
        in
         > the Errata) which is very frustrating.
         >
         > Also, there is a question in the "Managing Tablespaces and
Datafiles"
         > chapter that replies on the order of the multiple-choices,
however the
        quiz
         > software randomises the choices so the question no longer
makes
sense
        - and
         > is impossible to answer as presented.
         >
         > For those that have completed the OCP exam, is this what I am
to
        expect?
         >
         > Does anyone know of any other resources I might be able to
use?
How
        are
         > the OCP exam guides published by Sybex?
         >
         > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
         >
         > Regards,
         > Craig.
         >
         >
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