Well ... in general it's the apps that manage the system security, and the DB users are there to prevent the app users from doing damage, but in general these two work in unison.
I have not seen any "decent" ways of having the DB administer users without there being a serious overhead, in terms of administration duties, for the DBA (which is what Jared mentioned). I say that, given the information you provide, sticking with the two types of roles (owner and user) is the most adequate way. Why would you want to change this anyway? My 3.14159 pence worth. -----Original Message----- Jared Still Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 9:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Steve, I'm not a web developer either, but I do know that this is a very common method of handling the database connections. Many 2 tier apps work this way as well. SAP for example. Unless you have influence on the architecture and can present a convincing argument, you best learn how to work with it. You don't give any details about the app either. Are users required to authenticate? If not, what would be the point of requiring db accounts for them? The number of users is important as well. Imagine a web app that services 250k users. Do you really want that many users in the data dictionary? Would you want the DDL overhead of creating/administering that many users? I'm considering some extremes, because there were no details provided. HTH Jared On Sat, 2003-11-29 at 19:49, Steve Perry wrote: > I hope somebody on the list can help me out with this. > > All of our 3-tier apps are architected with a schema owner (owns all objects > used by an application) and application user (no create privs, but it does > have full dml privs to the schema owner objects). > On the web side, connection pooling is setup with 10 connections logged in > (all as the application user). > When users connect, the application reads some active directory keys that > tell if the user is a reader, dml user or admin user (all privs). > > I don't feel the application should be managing security and I'd like to > take that responsibility away. > The 10 identical connections logged into the database bothers me too. > > I'd like to make it work similar to our 2-tier apps where we use roles, > assign them to a user and they connect individually. We don't have OID setup > and I imagine that would solve this. Short of that, is there any other way > to work around having the 10 identical connections logging in and having the > application maintaining security? Is there another way of assigning the > security? > > I don't have any web development experience and I thought I'd check here > first to see how others deal with this. I hope somebody else has worked > this out at their shop. > > I'm not sure if the answers will change, but it's an all M$ shop, except for > Oracle. > > Any help would be appreciated. > Steve > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Steve Perry > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: nelson flores INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services --------------------------------------------------------------------- To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
