BCV = Business Continuity Volume On 2004.01.09 19:39, Ryan wrote: > I never heard about the required license from veritas and legato. Can > someone else confirm that this is necessary? They actually charge you more > money to do use another product with veriftas and legato? > > What is a 'BCV'? > ----- Original Message ----- > To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 7:19 PM > > > > Let's assume RMAN is not an option since we don't have > > a license or busget to use a third party backup tool > > like Legato or Veritas with RMAN (used in a previous > > life with Legato NetWorker. Loved it!!) > > > > So now I'm left with archive log mode. Archive logs > > backed up nightly and a full backup once a week. I > > have to set aside at least as much disk space for the > > data files as the size of the physical db which will > > later be copied to tape. Plus, I also need disk space > > for my BCVs'. I can't have both (budgetry > > constraints). I'm leaning towards BCV's. Wouldn't it > > be just as quick to restore the entire BCV as to do an > > Oracle recovery from tape? > > > > Also Gene, you mention that while loading data, you > > turn off archiving. So if you lost that dbf during a > > load, how would you recover the db? Restore the dbf, > > apply the logs and restart the load, right? > > > > In the same scenario in my environment I'd just > > restore the entire BCV set and re-start the load. Not > > an expert on EMC's BCV technology but my sysadmin says > > it can be done and yes, I'll test before I sign off on > > it. > > > > True, I'd be nice to have archive logging aswell. But > > is it a necassity or have we all been programmed into > > believing that "ALL PRODUCTION DATABASES MUST BE IN > > ARCHIVE LOG REGARDLESS". Should we not be progressing > > beyond this like we did with hit ratios and one large > > extents etc...? > > > > mohammed - jumping into flame proof suit > > > > --- Gene Sais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I put all databases in archive mode, i.e. dev, test, > > > and production. I > > > can use test db's to test backup/recovery > > > scenario's. The only time > > > they are not in archive mode is when I am doing a > > > major load > > > (import,sqlload,etc). After I am done loading data, > > > I put them back > > > into archive mode. What does it cost you, a few > > > archives? Ha, well > > > worth it :). > > > Gene > > > PS. On a side note, Robert Freeman, your book is a > > > must have using > > > RMAN. Thanks for writing it! > > > > > > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/09/04 04:54PM >>> > > > My personal opinion is all production databases > > > should be in > > > archivelog > > > mode. Period. End of story. > > > > > > Less down time, more recovery options....it's all > > > good. > > > > > > Having said that, given a specific business case, > > > with a specific set > > > of > > > requirements, one could argue for noarchivelog mode, > > > and you might > > > even > > > convince me...but I doubt it...;-) > > > > > > -Mark > > > > > > Mark J. Bobak > > > Oracle DBA > > > ProQuest Company > > > Ann Arbor, MI > > > "Imagination was given to man to compensate him for > > > what he is not, > > > and > > > a sense of humor was provided to console him for > > > what he is." > > > --Unknown > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 4:25 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > Have a question on backups in a DW environment. > > > > > > Our DW is somewhat small at the moment but projected > > > to grow. I seem to be having a hard time trying to > > > convince the sys admin that I don't want archive > > > logging turned on. To me, it does'nt make much > > > sense. > > > > > > He's proposed using EMC BCV's which I've agreed to > > > (and also sounds like a good idea) but also wants to > > > turn on archiving. My thinking is why turn on > > > archiving if I can restore my DB from last night's > > > BCV's and then bring it up to date by re-loading any > > > data that was loaded after the BCV split. > > > > > > Our system is not 24x7 so we can shutdown before the > > > BCV split. Also, it's not directly accessed by > > > users > > > for ad-hoc queries. Automated processes access the > > > database and build cubes using Cognos tools. Users > > > access these and not the DB directly. > > > > > > So, again I don't see the need for archive logging. > > > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > > > mohammed > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! 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