The license is for the software that interfaces Veritas NetBackup to RMAN.
RMAN has an API and NBU has an API. The intersection of the 2 will set
you back about $1500 US IIRC.
Jared
| "Ryan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/09/2004 04:39 PM
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: Re: Backups in a DW Environment |
I never heard about the required license from veritas and legato. Can
someone else confirm that this is necessary? They actually charge you more
money to do use another product with veriftas and legato?
What is a 'BCV'?
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> Let's assume RMAN is not an option since we don't have
> a license or busget to use a third party backup tool
> like Legato or Veritas with RMAN (used in a previous
> life with Legato NetWorker. Loved it!!)
>
> So now I'm left with archive log mode. Archive logs
> backed up nightly and a full backup once a week. I
> have to set aside at least as much disk space for the
> data files as the size of the physical db which will
> later be copied to tape. Plus, I also need disk space
> for my BCVs'. I can't have both (budgetry
> constraints). I'm leaning towards BCV's. Wouldn't it
> be just as quick to restore the entire BCV as to do an
> Oracle recovery from tape?
>
> Also Gene, you mention that while loading data, you
> turn off archiving. So if you lost that dbf during a
> load, how would you recover the db? Restore the dbf,
> apply the logs and restart the load, right?
>
> In the same scenario in my environment I'd just
> restore the entire BCV set and re-start the load. Not
> an expert on EMC's BCV technology but my sysadmin says
> it can be done and yes, I'll test before I sign off on
> it.
>
> True, I'd be nice to have archive logging aswell. But
> is it a necassity or have we all been programmed into
> believing that "ALL PRODUCTION DATABASES MUST BE IN
> ARCHIVE LOG REGARDLESS". Should we not be progressing
> beyond this like we did with hit ratios and one large
> extents etc...?
>
> mohammed - jumping into flame proof suit
>
> --- Gene Sais <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I put all databases in archive mode, i.e. dev, test,
> > and production. I
> > can use test db's to test backup/recovery
> > scenario's. The only time
> > they are not in archive mode is when I am doing a
> > major load
> > (import,sqlload,etc). After I am done loading data,
> > I put them back
> > into archive mode. What does it cost you, a few
> > archives? Ha, well
> > worth it :).
> > Gene
> > PS. On a side note, Robert Freeman, your book is a
> > must have using
> > RMAN. Thanks for writing it!
> >
> > >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/09/04 04:54PM >>>
> > My personal opinion is all production databases
> > should be in
> > archivelog
> > mode. Period. End of story.
> >
> > Less down time, more recovery options....it's all
> > good.
> >
> > Having said that, given a specific business case,
> > with a specific set
> > of
> > requirements, one could argue for noarchivelog mode,
> > and you might
> > even
> > convince me...but I doubt it...;-)
> >
> > -Mark
> >
> > Mark J. Bobak
> > Oracle DBA
> > ProQuest Company
> > Ann Arbor, MI
> > "Imagination was given to man to compensate him for
> > what he is not,
> > and
> > a sense of humor was provided to console him for
> > what he is."
> > --Unknown
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 4:25 PM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
> >
> >
> > Have a question on backups in a DW environment.
> >
> > Our DW is somewhat small at the moment but projected
> > to grow. I seem to be having a hard time trying to
> > convince the sys admin that I don't want archive
> > logging turned on. To me, it does'nt make much
> > sense.
> >
> > He's proposed using EMC BCV's which I've agreed to
> > (and also sounds like a good idea) but also wants to
> > turn on archiving. My thinking is why turn on
> > archiving if I can restore my DB from last night's
> > BCV's and then bring it up to date by re-loading any
> > data that was loaded after the BCV split.
> >
> > Our system is not 24x7 so we can shutdown before the
> > BCV split. Also, it's not directly accessed by
> > users
> > for ad-hoc queries. Automated processes access the
> > database and build cubes using Cognos tools. Users
> > access these and not the DB directly.
> >
> > So, again I don't see the need for archive logging.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > mohammed
> >
> >
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