Τώρα το ακούω και είναι τέλειο. Ευχαριστούμε Τακούλη. On May 10, 2012, at 6:58 AM, P. Antonopoulos wrote:
> Καλημέρα σε όλους και όλες, > Το ξαναστέλνω στην παρέα μας γιατί έκανα λάθος και έφυγε από την άλλη μου > διεύθυνση. Σε μία λίστα που ανήκω, μου έστειλαν το σύνδεσμο για ένα πρόγραμμα > του BBC σχετικά με την Ελλάδα του 20ού αιώνα. Πρέπει να μπορείτε να > καταλάβετα καλά Αγγλικά, και σας προειδοποιώ ότι είναι για γερά στομάχια και > πολύ καλό, παρ’ όλο που αισθάνομαι ότι, ίσως, λίγο τονίζει περισσότερο την > Ελληνική αριστερά από τους αντίστοιχους δεξιούς. Καλημερίζω σας, Τάκης > > From: John SAVAGE > Date: Πέμπτη, 10 Μαΐου 2012 10:04 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ncwfsa] Greeks and Turks. > > > Takis, that link is fine. > You could try > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00hg8dq/episodes/player > If you can get to that page, keep hitting 4 till the heading "Greece: An > Unquiet History". Enter on the "Listen now" link below that. > If that doesn't work, get back to me. > John. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Panagiotis Antonopoulos > To: mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 4:40 PM > Subject: Re: [ncwfsa] Greeks and Turks. > > Hi John/all, > For some reason this url appears to be crushing my computer. Is it valid, or > does it need something? > Cheers, > Takis > > From: John SAVAGE > Date: ΤÏίÏ"η, 8 ÎoαÎοÏ. 2012 10:48 > To: mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [ncwfsa] Greeks and Turks. > > Rory/Takis/all, a sleuth on the radio listeners list (definitely not a group) > has kindly tracked down the programme I mentioned, in the Archive on 4 > series. Archived indefinitely at > http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01dtdcb > Synopsis: Maria Margaronis asks if the spectre of Greece's unstable past is > haunting its current nightmares. Culturally at Europe's heart, geographically > at its edge, Greece has always been pulled and pushed by the contradictory > needs of the big powers. > Maria looks back through the turbulent 20th Century that saw Greece suffer > multiple national schisms. Beginning with the 1922 crisis of defeat against > Turkey and the subsequent mass refugee influx that swelled Greece's > population by around a fifth. War brought Nazi occupation that would last > from 1941 to 1944 and led to compromise, collaboration and resistance that > brought terrible reprisals, the virtual extermination of Greece's ancient > Jewish communities & destruction for many villages. Those years would lead > directly to the enduring trauma of Civil War. The central event for > Margaronis that divided and still divides Greek society and memory. It saw > Greek's fighting their former British allies in the streets of Athens in > December 1944 and led to atrocities on both Left and Right and finally > wholesale repression and exile of the Left after their defeat. Silence and > then dictatorship and Junta from 1967 to 1974 would continue to divide > society. The return of democracy and the rise of the PASOC party led to a > different sort of memory, the unquestioning heroization of the wartime > resistance and the celebration of Left wing memory that obscured painful > questions of what Greeks had done to Greeks. Entry into Europe was > potentially both a celebration of progress and a safe haven for Greek > identity. > The recent financial crisis has made Greeks once again deeply divided about > both Europe and their own history. The divisions remain and consciously or > unconsciously, history is informing that debate. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: rory Heap > To: mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 8:52 AM > Subject: RE: [ncwfsa] Greeks and Turks. > > John, > my Father was in the 2nd paratroops regiment who were deployed to "mop up" > the Greek (communist) resistance. The hand to hand street fighting was so > atrocious he would not talk about it at all! > > Rory > > -----Original Message----- > From: mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com > [mailto:mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of > John SAVAGE > Sent: 07 May 2012 06:33 > To: mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [ncwfsa] Greeks and Turks. > > One shouldn't generalise of course. I know a charming Swiss lady. And a > certain Mr Federer seems like a decent sort of bloke. > Not that long ago Radio 4 broadcast a programme all about Britain's > involvement in the Greek civil war towards the end of WWII. I'll let you > know if I can track it down. > John. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Judy Taylor > To: mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:51 AM > Subject: Re: [ncwfsa] Greeks and Turks. > > and they're so boring and dour that they certainly, in my humble opinion, > don't deserve that beautiful country they live in. > > Judy T. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Geoff Long > To: mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com <mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2012 11:11 PM > Subject: Re: [ncwfsa] Greeks and Turks. > > Hi Harvey, the Swiss get on well because until > very recently, their country has been a safe > place for nations, criminals, tax evaders and > many others to hide their ill gotten cash, > diamonds, art treasures, and the rest. > They have also been canny enough to persuade all > the major European countries that it's to their > advantage to have a neutral country, where spies, > negotiators, government representatives et al. can meet in relative safety. > Cheers Geoff. At 21:48 03/05/2012, you wrote: >> >> >> Believe me, Roger, I hold no brief for communists, fascists or even most of >> the groups in between! The question that buzzes around in my brain is this: >> >> Why have the British, and before them the English, and before them the >> Normans, repeatedly interfered in the affairs of other peoples? Naturally, >> our home bred propagandists would have us believe we do it for noble, >> altruistic reasons. We spread civilisation; the rule of law; even, >> especially lately, we see ourselves as the bringers of "freedom". That > makes >> us all feel warm and patriotic. It's just that I have this feeling that our >> true motives in past and present are more venal. A small coterie of people >> in the UK have become very rich indeed as a result of all this poking into >> other folks' business, and they haven't exactly shared the spoils with the >> rest of the community. >> >> How is it, finally, that there are some nations in Europe who seem to get >> along very well without trying to boss the world about? I'm thinking of the >> Swiss; the Scandanavians (if you draw a line under King Gustavus). >> >> I pose these questions in a spirit of enquiry, not contention. >> >> Harvey >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Roger Duclaud-Williams" >> <<mailto:r.duclaudwilliams%40btinternet.com>mailto:r.duclaudwilliams%40btinternet.co > m <mailto:r.duclaudwilliams%40btinternet.com> > >> To: <<mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com>mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com > <mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 12:00 PM >> Subject: Re: [ncwfsa] Greeks and Turks. >> >> You are quite right Harvey. We dod ntervene in >> the greek civil war. But as to the merits of that >> interventin I could say a lotmore. The greek >> communists were a pritty awful bunch, not that >> the other side was necessarily free from fault. >> Roger >> At 20:16 17/04/2012, you wrote: >>> >>> >>> A propos Greece at the end of WWW2, Roger, I believe the part played by >>> Churchill and MacMillan is, to say the least, open to question. At one >>> point, British troops opened fire on Greek partisans, who had faught the >>> occupying Germans, because His Majesty's Government in London was haunted >>> by >>> the fear of a communist take-over in Greece. A great deal merkier than >>> Never >>> on a Tuesday! >>> >>> Harvey >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Roger Duclaud-Williams" >>> <<mailto:r.duclaudwilliams%40btinternet.com>r.d >> mailto:uclaudwilliams%40btinternet.com >> <mailto:uclaudwilliams%40btinternet.com> > >>> To: <<mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com>mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com > <mailto:ncwfsa%40yahoogroups.com> > >>> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 6:05 PM >>> Subject: [ncwfsa] Greeks and Turks. >>> >>> : This is really mostly for Takis but othersmay have comments. I am >>> : reading at the moment, Alistair Horn's official biography of Harold >>> : Macmillan. During the closing years of the second world war, >>> : Macmillan had important responsibilites for british and allied policy >>> : in the mediterranian, including Greece and Italy. Horn relates that, >>> : as the british were bringing a would-be greek provisional government >>> : to Pyreus, they happened to arrivew on a Tuesday. He then says, in my >>> : view implausibly, that the greek contingent refused to disembark on >>> : the Tuesday because it had been on a Tuesday, in 1453, that >>> : Constantinople had been lost to the Turks. They felt, so Horn says, >>> : that nothing begun on a Tuesday could ever come to a favourable >>> : outcome. Do you think they were really so superstitious Takis? >>> : Roger >>> : >>> : >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 >> Antivirus, version of virus signature database 7109 (20120503) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> <http://www.eset.com>http://www.eset.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > __________ NOD32 7116 (20120507) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > __._,_.___ > Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic > Messages in this topic (24) > Recent Activity: a.. 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