Martin: Before something is made about my silence:
1- In the last 30 days I have had to deal with the death of an uncle who was the closest thing I had to a father outside my own. In a time where my dad could barely afford Public university for me ( 1970-1976) he forked over the princely sum of $4000 a semester so I could get my Bachelor Degree at Loyola University of Chicago and I could start my graduate Studies at Kent Sate University. So not only had I had to deal with the grief, I found that he had designate me executor of his Estate...so I have been working overtime so my aunt gets the pensions that from now on will be her source of income and so the division of the estate is done without the bickering that usually happens among sons when an estate is split. 2- Add to that I am the primary care taker to my mother and for another uncle who has been diagnosed with Adenocarcinomas of the lungs , adrenal glands and kidneys ..in all cases with undifferentiated cells..So I am coordinating both radio and chemo therapy for him and making sure his financial needs are covered as he has no other medical coverage than Medicare. 3- Last weekend I spent 3 glorious days in ICU due to elevated high blood pressure and Prinzemetal Angina (sp).. So OGD and AOS were the last of my worries.... add to that I did not receive The OGD Issue in question.... So as to the note by Howard Ginsberg which I quote directly from your post.. "At 5:29 PM -0400 6/16/04, Howard Ginsberg wrote: >Jose > > >You said, "BTW I questioned Dr Griesbach and the 6 trustee candidates Mr >Bronstein is Backing. So far I only got answers from Dr Griesbach." > > >I called two of the trustee candidates. They both have not heard of you nor >have spoken with nor received e-mail from you. > > > >When did you do this, Jose? Just the facts." This is the level of pettiness that shows the lack of seriousness on Ginsberg's and your part.... Did I mentioned they know me? NO Did I mentioned I called them? NO Did I mentioned I Emailed them ? NO As a member of the AOS I used the AOS Forum as the medium to contact and question them...the six trustees, and Dr Griesbach. Dr Griesbach , who reads the Forum posted his answer there . It seems the others don't read it and if they did they kept quiet. And it also it seems that Ginsberg doesn't either...unless it is a post by himself. http://www.orchidweb.org/cgi-bin/board/robboard.cgi?action=display&num=984 is the URl fro my questioning of Mr Bronstein . Which I copy Verbatim Let's see if Mr Bronstein answers some of my questions... 7 Forum Main Page 7 Further Reading 7 Reply to this Message 7 Posted by Jose A. Izquierdo Rivera on 06/11/04 - 03:20:31 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1 4322) Message Body 1- Have you authorized Mr Ginsberg to include your name in the alternate slate he is proposing in opposition to the one proposed by the nominating committee? 2- Do you agree with the accusations being bandied about that in your case, the nominating committee acted due to anti-semitism and homophobia? WHAT EVIDENCE ( NOT RUMORS) can you present that members of the committee are anti-semites and homophobes? 3- The changing of certain by-laws regarding direct nominations are aslo being attacked ? Yet for those changes to have been carried , the AOS Board of Trustees and the Executive Committee BOTH of which you are currently a member had had to pass judgement on them ? As a matter of fact , the final cosntitution of the Nomminating Committe had to be approved by the Board? Arew we to believe that you , a member of the Executive Committte had no involvement wahtsoever in these processes? 4- Why are you supporting with your silence the attacks on Mr Rasmmann and Mrs Slaughter? Or do you actually support the statement that their selection ( in the case of Mr Rassmman, his continued selection) as Directors was plagued with conflict of interests? Do you have evidence of conflict of interests by the members of the Committee? Do you believe ( as it has beeing insinuated by those who support you) that Taylor Slaughter was only selected on account of her husband alone and not on account of her service as a volunteer to the AOS? 5- Some of the people supporting your candidacy in opposition to that of Mr Moore and the proposed "official slate" are threatening with holding support to the AOS if you are not elected. Do you support their stance? Mr Bronstein your silence is deafening. With your silence you seem to be giving support to many positions and opinions that can easily be disproven or that by their nature are inflamatory, close to being diffamatory and dammaging to the future of the AOS ? You have served the members of this Society in a number of position ...You aspire to serve the members of this Society as its President... Those Members ( me included) want to hear from you. His answer can be found in the AOS Forum by hitting Search ALL... http://www.orchidweb.org/cgi-bin/board/robboard.cgi?action=display&num=854 Records the question I made to Dr Griesbach and the start of the thread where he answers . Again I copy verbatim.... A question for Dr Robert Griesbach, President of trhe AOS 7 Forum Main Page 7 Further Reading 7 Reply to this Message 7 Posted by Jose A. Izquierdo Rivera on 06/10/04 - 06:40:40 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1 4322) Message Body http://www.orchidweb.org/cgi-bin/board/robboard.cgi?action=display&num=821 1- Do you support the Slate of Officers that the nominating committee, you designated proposed? To wit: Art Moore, President; Jim Rassmann, Executive Vice-President; Carlos Fighetti, Vice-President; Taylor Slaughter, Vice-President; Marion Allen, Secretary; William Rhodehamel, Treasurer; Trustees: Ms Rita Cohen, Ms Aileen Garrison, Mr. William Guthrie, Ms Karen Muir, Mr. Ben Singer and, Ms Sandra Svoboda. 2- Do you support the charges levied that some of the members of the Committee acted in a way that constituted conflict of interest? 3- Do you support the charges levied against the Nominating Committee that in their decision not to promote Mr. Howard Bronstein, the committee acted in such a way that made manifests their anti-Semitism, and homophobia? 4- Are you backing the election of Mr. Bronstein or Mr. Moore? 5- Why yoour silence? IMHO, the use of your name in alternate slate, seems to back up to give support to Mr. Ginsberg attacks on the same people that trusted you . So I would like to know, on this issue, where do you stand? You can searech his answers.... http://www.orchidweb.org/cgi-bin/board/robboard.cgi?action=display&num=821 Is where I posted my questions for Mrs Cohen and the other 5 trustees.. IN THE AOS FORUM Again I copy verbatim from the AOS Forum, not only my questions but the headers of the whole thread... I have some questions for: Ms Rita Cohen ... 7 Forum Main Page 7 Further Reading 7 Reply to this Message 7 Posted by Jose A. Izquierdo Rivera on 06/09/04 - 19:26:20 Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; .NET CLR 1.1 4322) Message Body ..., Ms Aileen Garrison, Mr. William Guthrie, Ms Karen Muir, Mr. Ben Singer and, Ms Sandra Svoboda. I have noticed with interest that in the documents posted in the Bedford Orchids website, where Mr. Ginsberg supports the candidacy of Howard Bronstein for AOS president, while criticizing the actions of the Nominating Committee, there is a proposed: DOCUMENT 2 - PROXY FORM We the undersigned hereby give our proxy to the bearer of this document to vote for Howard Bronstein for President of the American Orchid Society and to vote against the entire slate of officers but not the Trustees proposed by the Nominating Committee at the Annual Meeting in October 2004 A cursory reading of this seems to lead to the conclusion that Mr. Ginsberg is supporting your election as Trustees of the AOS during the next Members Meeting. Since the Nominating Committee that originally selected you, is being severely attacked by Mr. Ginsberg and those who support his stand, accusations that include charges of conflict of interest, anti-Semitism and homophobia, I must ask of all of you the following questions: 1- Do you support the Slate of Officers that the nominating committee, designated concurrently with you? To Wit: Art Moore, President; Jim Rassmann, Executive Vice-President; Carlos Fighetti, Vice-President; Taylor Slaughter, Vice-President; Marion Allen, Secretary; William Rhodehamel, Treasurer; 2- Do you support the charges levied that some of the members of the Committee that selected you six, acted in a way that constituted conflict of interest? 3- Do you support the charges levied against the Nominating Committee that selected you six that in their decision not to promote Mr. Howard Bronstein, the committee acted in such a way that made manifests their anti-Semitism, and homophobia? 4- Are you backing the election of Mr. Bronstein or Mr. Moore? IMHO, the use of your name in alternate slate, seems to back up to give support to Mr. Ginsberg attacks on the same people that trusted you . So I would like to know, on this issue, where do you stand? For Further Reading View Entire Thread LOL, now that you're a member again mi Hermano, - Stewart,Naples, 06/10/04 - 19:32:54 Stewart I may not be in a Comittee but I would like to know why honorable people Like the ones I named in my post - Jose, 06/10/04 - 20:13:55 And I would agree that direct questions of officers or trustees or directors should be answered - Stewart,Naples, 06/11/04 - 18:38:06 My brother..the words I selected stand in this case... the attacks on good people need to be finnished eom - Jose, 06/11/04 - 19:51:09 I agree mi Hermano, they most certainly do...eom - Stewart,Naples, 06/11/04 - 21:16:22 Good luck, Super Dear, in getting an answer to your questions. I've posted this question (not - Angela in KY, 06/09/04 - 23:21:46 The real reason is that Mr. Ginsberg can't find 5 people to fill his slate LOL eom - TW, 06/10/04 - 09:19:24 PLEASE NOTICE THEY DID NOT ANSWER.... So Martin and HOWARD (by reference) ...are you satisfied by the facts on how I questioned , The Trustees, Bronstein and Dr Griesbach ?... They are there easy to confim...and they should have been checked before an attempt to attack my personal integrity asx well as my intelectual honesty was attempted by you too..if these are the type of things you have to do to defend Bronstrein ..again you fail him misserably.. See you may have a good case when you attack my spelling , but when you attrack me based on the facts I state ..you are in deep doo-doo I back my staements by facts...and I am very careful when I challenge others with facts. I aslo asume good will and intellectual honesty ogf my opponents. I am reaching the level of trusting and respecting in the case of you, Howard... MY POSTS WERE THERE in THE AOS FORUM..you are stretching my level of good will in yoiur quetioning of my position and I am getting close to conclude that you are not only careless with the facts, you are careless in attacking people's reputations. Jose PS MArtin..this is getting boring ..the next time ou want to attack me lets do it off-list, I will get more pleasure in fresponding.... [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of IMSTP.gif]
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