I would love to see the AOS Bulletins digitized and on-line. Even for a relative novice in the orchid world information is sometimes hard to come by and the good information in the AOS bulletins would be invaluable.
I'd be willing to write the AOS, we could also start with a posting on the AOS forum. Does anyone have a contact at Google? Susan Taylor ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Sent: Subject: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 Send Orchids mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Orchids digest..." Today's Topics: 1. AOS Bulletin(s) / digitization (scanning) (Giles Smith) 2. Phal species (Aaron J. Hicks) 3. Dendrobium schulleri (Peter O'Byrne) 4. RE: AOS Bulletin(s) / digitization (scanning) (Steve Topletz) 5. Re: Orchid Smells ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 6. re: Dendrobium schulleri (Bob Betts) 7. Dendrobium schulleri J.J.Sm. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 8. AOS Bulletin(s) / scanned... - what happened ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 9. Re: EC & TDS (Steve Topletz) 10. Re: EC & TDS (Ray) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:00:26 -0800 From: "Giles Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OGD] AOS Bulletin(s) / digitization (scanning) To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" It strikes me that such a project would be one of the most valuable contributions the AOS could make to its members. Few of us have a complete set, or ready access to a library possessing such a set. Therefore, the information that has been published over the years is essentially unavailable to us. Yet the internet provides an incredibly powerful means of making the entire set available to anyone who needs it, and the scanning technology and associated software (Acrobat, etc.) are readily available. Despite such advantages, I can easily imaging such a project slipping way down on the AOS list of budget priorities. It is the kind of thing that can always be put off until "next year." Is there any way that orchid enthusiasts could create some indication of demand for such a service, and convey that information to the AOS? We need some creative thinking here. Giles Smith -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/orchids_orchidguide.com/attachments/20050116/808a0d79/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:13:19 -0700 From: "Aaron J. Hicks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OGD] Phal species To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Charles Ufford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> queried thusly: > I was wondering if there were any of you who grow phal minus, honghenensis >and/or stobartiana under lights, who could tell me what they use for >mounting these orchids on? I killed two Phal. (=Kingidium) minus on cork with a bit of sphagnum, although I don't think it was the substrate. I also killed a Phal. stobartiana on cork with sphagnum, but it took me about 18 months for it to expire; I doubt that was the cork, either; at one point, it went three-for-one, but all three eventually died. I have two Phal. gibbosa that do well enough on cork with sphagnum (anyone notice a pattern here?), but none of the roots attach to the cork, and they stay out of the sphagnum entirely. All are/were grown under fluorescent lights, fed distilled water, occasionally with fertilizer/SUPERthrive added. I prefer to "flash" water them- misting until the roots are saturated, and allowing them to dry rather quickly under high air circulation despite the high humidity in the tank. The distilled water is important, given how saline our tap water is (150-500 ppm TDS most of the year). I do have a question about Phal. javanica. I have seedlings (yes, from seed- not wild-collected!) mounted on cork with sphagnum, and they were doing very well indeed up until about a month ago, when they stalled. They have withdrawn a bit, and the newest leaves have ceased growth. No new roots are apparent, and the oldest leaves show the latticework of the veins, which is never a good sign. I grow them in aquaria with fluorescent lights, kept at 12 hours/day year-round, and at pretty much constant temperatures (we Arizonans are like that- warm in the winter, cool in the summer- so long as we're indoors). They're pretty small (2" leafspan), and I am concerned they'll expire if I don't do anything. Worse yet would be if I *do* something, and they expire. Any suggestions? Cheers, -AJHicks Chandler, AZ -------------- next part -------------- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.833 / Virus Database: 567 - Release Date: 1/12/2005 ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 08:42:39 +0800 From: Peter O'Byrne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OGD] Dendrobium schulleri To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Scott D. Trainor asked: >I was interested in seeing a picture and maybe a description of >Den.schulleri, but I couldn't find any in my usual sources. >Wildcatt shows that a VERY large plant 'Chet' received a CCM >in 1969, but flowers described simply as "typical". The Baker's >book gives cultural information, which is helpful. Since this >species is fairly common in Den. hybrids, I'm surprised there >isn't more information out there. Anyone have or information on >this species? Scott, you're going to find this a bit of a shock (given your comment above) but the true Dendrobium schulleri is almost certainly not in cultivation. This is a near-mythical species, generally assumed to come from northern New Guinea (but no-one really knows) and described from a plant of horticultural origin which was subsequently made into a herbarium specimen. No-one has ever re-collected the species from the wild ... actually, that sentence ought to say "it appears that no-one has ever collected the species from the wild". The name has long been applied to almost any suitable hybrid Dendrobium in # Spatulata that has yellow or yellowish flowers and petals that are longer than the sepals and wider at the apex than the base. There must be over a thousand different hybrids that match this description and any photo, award, parentage record, etc, that bears the label "Dendrobium schulleri" could be any one of them. The trouble is that apart from the petals, the type of D. schulleri doesn't have any really good characters; it is much like a number of other Spatulata Dendrobiums, so distinguishing between a good hybrid copy of "D. schulleri" and the real thing is extremely difficult. To further complicate matters, some "D. schulleri" lookalike hybrids have escaped from captivity and established themselves in the wild. There is at least one such colony in New Britain (the big island off Papua New Guinea) and I've recently seen specimens of "D. schulleri" that were jungle-collected in Flores (Indonesia) ... the latter plants being particularly convincing mimics of D. schulleri, but the flowers were much larger than the Type. Cheers, Peter O'Byrne Singapore ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 18:48:19 -0600 From: "Steve Topletz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [OGD] AOS Bulletin(s) / digitization (scanning) To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Forget the AOS budget. Get my university to give me a credit for it and I'll have it done before the next AQ arrives. Seriously, Steve Topletz -----Original Message----- From: "Giles Smith"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 1/16/05 6:00:26 PM To: "[email protected]"<[email protected]> Subject: [OGD] AOS Bulletin(s) / digitization (scanning) It strikes me that such a project would be one of the most valuable contributions the AOS could make to its members. Few of us have a complete set, or ready access to a library possessing such a set. Therefore, the information that has been published over the years is essentially unavailable to us. Yet the internet provides an incredibly powerful means of making the entire set available to anyone who needs it, and the scanning technology and associated software (Acrobat, etc.) are readily available. Despite such advantages, I can easily imaging such a project slipping way down on the AOS list of budget priorities. It is the kind of thing that can always be put off until "next year." Is there any way that orchid enthusiasts could create some indication of demand for such a service, and convey that information to the AOS? We need some creative thinking here. Giles Smith ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 20:27:22 EST From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OGD] Re: Orchid Smells To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" In a message dated 1/16/05 6:39:16 PM, Charles writes: > anybody know if there is a species that smells like porterhouse steak? > No, but there are a number of orchids that smell like the chemical they put in Crayola crayons. Nobody has ever explained that one. As far as your mounted orchids are concerned, I have tried Phal. lobbii and parishii, and they eventually died on me. Iris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/orchids_orchidguide.com/attachments/20050116/53f73cd5/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:22:47 -0500 From: "Bob Betts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OGD] re: Dendrobium schulleri To: "OGD Post" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Scott, I found the following 6 picture references for Dendrobium schulleri in my picture reference database at http://los.lon.imag.net/picref.asp by entering the keyword schulleri If you do not have access to the books, let me know and I will scan the pictures from my library Hope this helps. Dendrobium schulleri - A Guide to Orchids of the World - M. Hodgson, R. Paine, N. Anderson - 1991 - page 110 - colour photograph - AOS Bulletin - June 1966 - page 454 - Black & White photograph - AOS Bulletin - June 1994 - page 642 - colour photograph - Asian Orchids - Teoh Eng Soon M.D. 1980 - page 77 - colour photograph - Orchids of Papua New Guinea - Andree Millar - 1999 - page 67 - colour photograph Dendrobium schulleri 'Lady H' AM/AOS - AOS Bulletin - December 1967 - page 1106 - black & white photograph ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:34:48 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OGD] Dendrobium schulleri J.J.Sm. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Scott, You wrote : "interested in seeing a picture and maybe a description of Den. schulleri" 1) picture : in addition to the references provided by Bob Betts, you might be interested to have a look at the following one : Orchadian 13(11): 489 (2002). [where Dendrobium schulleri J.J.Sm. is considered a basionym of Durabaculum schulleri (J.J.Sm.) M.A.Clem. & D.L. Jones] 2) the original description was published in the Bulletin du Jardin Botanique de Buitenzorg, ser. 2, 13: 63. 1914. ******************* Regards, Viateur ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 23:04:45 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OGD] AOS Bulletin(s) / scanned... - what happened ? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/orchids_orchidguide.com/attachments/20050116/b4c13a84/attachment-0001.htm ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2005 22:46:15 -0600 From: Steve Topletz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [OGD] EC & TDS To: "the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD)" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In speaking with my friend who has a degree in horticulture, he says that TDS isn't unique at all to orchids, and that TDS, EC, and pH are very important for all commercial greenhouses, orchids aside. Ray> In speaking with scientist at several fertilizer companies, I have Ray> learned that focusing on TDS is pretty much unique to orchid growers, while Ray> just about everyone in any other horticultural segments thinks in terms of Ray> the EC (electrical conductivity) of the nutrient solutions. Ray> � Ray> Given the facts that TDS meters are just EC meters with built-in Ray> conversions, and that the ionic makeup of solutions affect the EC, giving Ray> different conductivities for the same true TDS, it is a poorer measurement Ray> in the first place. Ray> � Ray> Does anyone have any factual background as to why we focus on TDS? Ray> � Ray> I'm not looking for the usual comments about some plants needing very Ray> pure water or anything like that, but instead, some specific basis for TDS Ray> rather than EC. Ray> Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Ray> Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! Ray> . ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2005 05:36:26 -0500 From: "Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [OGD] EC & TDS To: "the OrchidGuide Digest \(OGD\)" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks for the input Steve, but my discussions with several commercial growers (all non-orchid) in the area, plus the local field guy for the Pennsylvania Dept. of Agriculture (who primarily deals with food crops and bedding plant nurseries) give me the opposite - interesting enough in its own right. Besides, if that was the case, why is it that labels on commercial fertilizers or their bulk components typically provide an EC table, but not the TDS? In any case, my inquiry was not intended to start a debate on the relative importance of the measurement, just how it came to be the predominant one of the two with orchid growers. Maybe I should narrow that to "hobby" orchid growers, as I have not heard from any large-scale commercial growers. Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! . ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Topletz To: the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [OGD] EC & TDS In speaking with my friend who has a degree in horticulture, he says that TDS isn't unique at all to orchids, and that TDS, EC, and pH are very important for all commercial greenhouses, orchids aside. Ray> In speaking with scientist at several fertilizer companies, I have Ray> learned that focusing on TDS is pretty much unique to orchid growers, while Ray> just about everyone in any other horticultural segments thinks in terms of Ray> the EC (electrical conductivity) of the nutrient solutions. Ray> Ray> Given the facts that TDS meters are just EC meters with built-in Ray> conversions, and that the ionic makeup of solutions affect the EC, giving Ray> different conductivities for the same true TDS, it is a poorer measurement Ray> in the first place. Ray> Ray> Does anyone have any factual background as to why we focus on TDS? Ray> Ray> I'm not looking for the usual comments about some plants needing very Ray> pure water or anything like that, but instead, some specific basis for TDS Ray> rather than EC. Ray> Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.com Ray> Plants, Supplies, Books, Artwork, and Lots of Free Info! Ray> . _______________________________________________ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [email protected] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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