I have to ask.  I apologize if somebody already has asked this. How does a person in 2021 avoid being photographed.  Drive a car? Traffic cameras.  Walk down the street? Security cameras.  Walk past your neighbors house? Security camera. Walk in a store, a bank?  Security cameras.  We know we are being photographed every where we go.  We have no control over how or when our photo will be used.  Everybody (almost) has a phone with a camera.

Somebody mentioned people in the witness protection program.  It made me think, how do these people avoid being photographed?

Back to dance halls.  Can a person who has to accept the reality of security cameras realistically attend a public gathering and require the organizers to prohibit photography?  I wonder.


On 3/20/2021 10:21 AM, Lisa Brown via Organizers wrote:
Posting vs Tagging

Sometimes, being tagged in the photos is what bothers people not the posting of the photos. But even if your dance organization doesn't tag people in the photos, other people can still tag people. Or as someone else previously mentioned, other dance attendees, who are not under your control, can post photos and tag.

Lisa

On Sat, Mar 20, 2021 at 10:04 AM Stephen Moore <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    I believe that public gatherings are any gatherings that welcome
    the public whether they’re paying or not. So aside from
    publicly-owned facilities, all spaces are privately-owned.
    Tanglewood is privately owned… Fenway Park is privately owned, but
    they are still public gatherings.

    If a dance community decided to form a club with membership which
    was required for entry (like a members-only golf course) then
    those would be private events. Invitation-only events are not
    public events like weddings. But our dances, which we advertise in
    hopes of having the public come (and in the serious hope that
    we’ll have some new dancers each night!) are public events.

    Stephen Moore
    Lenox Contra Dance
    and not a lawyer...

    On Mar 20, 2021, at 9:46 AM, Ron Blechner <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    It's my understanding that most dances are held in non-public
    spaces, and thus, not public gatherings. No?


    On Fri, Mar 19, 2021, 7:10 PM Stephen Moore via Organizers
    <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Hello everyone,

        Gads, worrying over dancing issues seems so long ago.

        Re: photographs. I edit a small town monthly
        newspaper/journal in western Massachusetts and so the laws
        around photography are pertinent.

        It’s pretty simple as far as what is legal- Photography of
        people, regardless of age, at a public gathering is
        permissible without permission.

        But as an ongoing event, you might wish to have a more
        considered approach, especially if someone has raised it
        within your dance community.

        And by example, a school classroom setting is not a public
        gathering. Common sense should prevail too.

        Stephen Moore
        Lenox Contra Dance

        On Mar 19, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Lisa Brown via Organizers
        <[email protected]
        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Hi Jeff,

        Also from our social contract:

        Children
        ● Children are welcome; however, those under 18 must come
        with an adult.

        Lisa




        On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 1:01 PM Jeff Kaufman
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        wrote:

            Hi Lisa,

            How do you handle situations where someone is taking
            pictures of the
            whole crowd if you have minors dancing?

            Do you not allow people under 18 to attend your dance
            without a
            responsible adult?

            Jeff

            On Fri, Mar 19, 2021 at 12:27 PM Lisa Brown
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
            >
            > We have a photography policy for minors and musicians.
            It's part of our social contract.
            >
            > Photography, Videography, and Recording
            > ● Permission of the responsible adult must be obtained
            before publishing photos or videos of minor children.
            > ● Permission of the performers should be obtained
            before making videos or recordings.
            >
            > Lisa - Country Dancers of Rochester
            >
            > On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:28 PM Jeff Kaufman via
            Organizers <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
            >>
            >> BIDA has:
            >>
            >> "Photography: We don't have a photography policy, and
            it is common for
            >> dancers to take pictures and post them on social
            media." --
            >>https://www.bidadance.org/accessibility
            <https://www.bidadance.org/accessibility>
            >>
            >> We talked a lot about ways in which we could
            potentially make the
            >> dance better for people who don't want to be
            photographed or have
            >> their pictures shared, but we ended up running into
            the same problems
            >> Alan describes.
            >>
            >> If you have a place where people can trust that
            photos of them will
            >> not appear on social media without them having the
            option to opt out,
            >> then there are people who can come to your dance who
            couldn't
            >> otherwise.  On the other hand, if you make some
            effort in this
            >> direction but it still happens, which is what will
            happen unless you
            >> have quite strict enforcement (especially with
            newcomers), you aren't
            >> successfully making the dance more accessible and you
            are making the
            >> dance less enjoyable for dancers who like sharing photos.
            >>
            >> Jeff
            >>
            >> On Wed, Mar 17, 2021 at 10:19 PM Winston, Alan P. via
            Organizers
            >> <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
            >> >
            >> > BACDS started trying to address this 10 or so years
            ago when we wanted to put dance images in our publicity
            and privacy concerns meant that we couldn't just use
            pictures.  It was very frustrating that while the Board
            was  arguing about this stuff pictures of our dances
            from random dancers were turning up on FB with no
            concern for privacy.  We eventually concluded that if we
            were going to take publicity photos we'd let people know
            beforehand, announce what dance in the evening we were
            going to do it in, and let people sit down or leave the
            room for that one dance.
            >> >
            >> > That's okay when you're in charge of the photographer.
            >> >
            >> > It turns out to be effectively impossible to really
            prevent photography without draconian measures like
            searches at the door and confiscating all the cellphones.
            >> >
            >> > The people who don't want to be photographed range
            from people who just have a preference to people for
            whom it's a matter of survival - those who have fled
            violent abusers or who are, say, in witness protection. 
            You cannot guarantee their safety and they need to
            understand that you can do at most a best-effort attempt.
            >> >
            >> > Given that, it's useful to designate one line as
            photos okay and have signage at the desk about not
            photographing outside of that line, but people will
            still miss or forget the signage, so organizers have to
            keep an eye on it and announcements have to be made,
            which may on any given night be for the benefit of
            people who aren't there.
            >> >
            >> > I don't think we've tried giving people "no photos
            please" badges.  That might be effective in that people
            reviewing images before sharing them will see a reminder
            in the picture, but it's not likely to be useful for
            people who livestream a minute of your dance.
            >> >
            >> > -- Alan
            >> >
            >> > ________________________________
            >> > From: Karey Bacon via Organizers
            <[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>>
            >> > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2021 6:16 PM
            >> > To:[email protected]
            
<mailto:[email protected]><[email protected]
            <mailto:[email protected]>>
            >> > Subject: [Organizers] photography policy?
            >> >
            >> > Hi all,
            >> > We in Philadelphia are using our Covid time to try
            to get some policies done.
            >> >
            >> > One thing that has come up is a photography/video
            policy.  Some dancers do not want to appear in any
            photos or videos.
            >> >
            >> > Some ideas we tossed about that have practical
            drawbacks:
            >> > -designate one line as always non-photo/video
            >> > -buttons or badges for those who do not want to be
            on camera
            >> >
            >> > Is this something your dance has grappled with?
            Anything you've come up with that you're willing to share?
            >> >
            >> > Thanks in advance,
            >> >
            >> > Karey Bacon
            >> > she/her/hers
            >> > 267-437-5641
            >> >
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