On Aug 23, 2021, at 6:27 PM, Ron Blechner via Organizers
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Hey, know what's really shitty?
When an autistic person tells you that something harms them - in this
case, vaccine skepticism - and then rather than pause, listen, and
reconsider, instead you deny what they've said.
I'm not going to dignify Weogo or Terri's replies, but I won't be
silenced by them.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021, 5:47 PM Terri Widergren via Organizers
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PS I want to add,that I have no issue with vaccines, and have
gotten mine, but I want to honor the perspective of others and
appreciate the opportunity to dialogue about the differences not
argue.
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 2:39 PM Terri Widergren <[email protected]
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Thank you, Weogo, for your thoughtful response and citing your
sources so I can further investigate your perspective. I
heard no vaccine hate rhetoric, just concern and curiosity
from your point of view and openness to other ideas if folks
want to present them in a way that supports claims and opinion.
This is such a divisive and emotionally charged topic, my
heart has been aching over the division being created on so
many levels in our society. I hear your heart of concern and
sincerity and the amount of researching and soul searching you
are doing about Covid, and appreciate it. There can be so
many hurtful and unproductive reactions to one another when
someone does not align with our perspective. May we find new
ways of hearing and seeing the humanity in each other.
Yes, good health to all as we trust our wisdom and conscious
to guide us,
Terri
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:28 AM Weogo Reed via Organizers
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Hi Folks,
I'm not on a hill, looking for a fight or intending
to harm, insult
or shame anyone.
The best outcome of this exchange is for all of us to be a
bit more
educated.
CDC / NIH / FDA:
Historically the CDC and NIH were sources of current,
accurate
health information.
Small and low-income countries often used CDC/NIH
recommendations
verbatim as their health guidelines.
From what I see today, they appear remarkably slow to
acknowledge some
current science.
Vitamin D:
"Several recent studies have looked at the impact of
vitamin D on
COVID-19. One study of 489 people found that those who had
a vitamin D
deficiency were more likely to test positive for the virus
that causes
COVID-19 than people who had normal levels of vitamin D.
Other research has observed high rates of vitamin D
deficiency in
people with COVID-19 who experienced acute respiratory
failure. These
people had a significantly higher risk of dying. And a
small, randomized
study found that of 50 people hospitalized with COVID-19
who were given
a high dose of a type of vitamin D (calcifediol), only one
needed
treatment in the intensive care unit. In contrast, among
the 26 people
with COVID-19 who weren't given calcifediol, 13 needed to
be treated in
the intensive care unit."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/coronavirus-and-vitamin-d/faq-20493088
<https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/expert-answers/coronavirus-and-vitamin-d/faq-20493088>
Note that the current RDA(Recommended Daily Allowance) is
for bone health.
For optimal health, it may be more.
From Liz:
"Sunshine and fresh air will not keep you safe."
Partially correct. They can increase your health and
improve your
body's covid response.
Sunshine helps your body produce Vitamin D.
Time outside for me generally equals exercise - in
the garden,
doing construction, walking/hiking and more.
For the past year and a half, my one gig as a sound person
was outside,
providing audio for
the local state university's graduation in May, with
everybody masked
and spaced 6'.
Liz wrote:
"And then there's this:
https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19
<https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19>"
f There's wide evidence the FDA is out of date on their
Ivermectin
information.
I suggest reading this website:
https://covid19criticalcare.com/
<https://covid19criticalcare.com/>
Moderna safety under review:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-probing-moderna-vaccine-increased-heart-inflammation-risk-washington-post-2021-08-20/
<https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-probing-moderna-vaccine-increased-heart-inflammation-risk-washington-post-2021-08-20/>
Deaths from Covid 'incredibly rare' among children:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w
<https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01897-w>
With an extremely low covid risk for children, and
some risk from
any medicine,
Is vaccinating children for covid the wisest choice?
Liz wrote:
"The nation's hospitals are filled with young, otherwise
healthy, mostly
unvaccinated
people dying of Covid."
Can you please provide data?
I couldn't find hospitalization data for young,
unvaccinated people, but
did find this for deaths, based on age:
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsovertime
<https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographicsovertime>
With so few deaths among the young, might it be accurate
to say there
aren't that many in hospitals?
Ron wrote:
"We need everyone vaccinated."
Is natural immunity or vaccine-acquired immunity better?
Here's one voice:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is-more-effective-then-vaccine-immunity/ar-AAMX3sM
<https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/dr-makary-says-natural-immunity-is-more-effective-then-vaccine-immunity/ar-AAMX3sM>
From the BBC today:
https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098
<https://www.bbc.com/news/health-58270098>
There are many points of view to this question, and it may
boil down to
what's best for an individual.
I suggest we consider what we really need is for
everybody to be
healthy and
have covid immunity, not necessarily vaccination.
For Americans, 42% are obese:
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html
<https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/adult.html>
Could this be a more significant health issue than covid?
Would you support an effective Public Health campaign for
obesity
education and reduction?
Someone I love dearly is morbidly obese.
I remember when he was slim and healthy.
He now has multiple health issues that are known to be
caused by
obesity yet says the health issues are causing the obesity.
(May be a bit of both?)
Currently he is taking multiple medications and seeing a
psychiatrist that
isn't helping him be healthier, just more drugged.
If I got anything wrong here, please correct me and
cite your sources.
Thanks and good health, Weogo
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