On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:53 PM, Gerardo @neorigami.com < [email protected]> wrote:
> In my last message I mentioned that I was convinced that we identify tatos > because they share some common characteristics. I also mentioned I would > show some models of which I wasn't sure if they were tato or not. > > So could you please explain to me which of the following models do you > consider to be tato or not and why?Please view in each case the folding > sequence of the model, as well as how to open and close each one, instead > of just their appearance to declare if it is or isn't a tato. > > It's really important that you explain to me why do you say that it is or > isn't a tato, OK? > > 1. http://en.origami-club.com/fun/menko/menko2/ > > 2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0C3NBNZ1Jg > > 3. > > http://www.instructables.com/id/The-Spiral-Data-Tato----A-Curiously-Complex-Origam/?ALLSTEPS > > 4. > > http://neorigami.com/neo/index.php/en/useful-models/item/323-sobre-octagonal-/-octagonal-envelope > > 5. > > http://www.neorigami.com/neo/index.php/en/useful-models/item/6965-sobre-de-dos-piezas-/-two-piece-envelope > > > Hi Gerardo, Forgive me if I'm repeating someone else's answer-- I did a quick scroll through recent o-list messages, but I haven't been keeping on top of them very well. There are two groups of people who use the word "tato" quite differently. I have seen several Japanese designs referred to as a "tato", and these are all relatively flat containers (envelopes, but my impression is that they were used to hold small objects like pins or herbs, whereas we usually use the term "envelope" to refer to a way of wrapping cards, letters, and other paper documents). People who are familiar with the more traditionalistic parts of Japanese origami repertoire will recognize this usage. However, some people in the geometric origami community, outside of Japan, use the word "tato" to talk about twist-fold structures where the edges of the paper meet in the center, and where (usually) the central polygon of the twist fold is hidden on the obverse side of the design. Sometimes this is used to talk about three-dimensional structures; Phillip Chapman-Bell puts it quite nicely: "This is a tato box: by which I mean, an origami box with radial symmetry and a closure that resembles that of a tato, a traditional Japanese purse" http://origami.oschene.com/archives/2009/01/11/with-apologies-to-mr-ekiguchi/ These two uses of the word have a lot of overlap; I'd say all of the examples you list could fit under the traditionalist definition, but only numbers 1, 3, and 4 would fit under the structural sense of the word. However, the model Phillip pictures in the post I linked to *does* fit the structural sense, but might not be something that a Japanese person would call a "tato". My recommendation is to avoid using the word "tato" unless 1) you're Japanese or writing about Japanese models, or 2) you're talking about a specific category of twist-fold-related structures. Otherwise, use a word like "envelope" or "box" or whatever the appropriate term is in the language of the audience you're writing for. Of course it's a free world, and you're welcome to do what you want, but that's my two cents on the matter ;) -- Andrew ______________________________ http://www.flickr.com/photos/ahudson http://ahudsonorigami.wordpress.com/
