> > A lot of these are obsolete technologies that Orion has better ways of
> > implementing.
> > Orion does that JServ/Tomcat can't do.
> What you are trying to do here, is to compare a Volvo with a Porche, and
> that is plain unfair. Apache and Tomcat is made for one thing, to be a
> webserver (It don't even come close to supporting the J2EE standard).
I agree completly. The topic of conversation that sparked me was all the Apache
modules talk that was happening on this list. I am one of the people that have
migrated to Orion from Apache/JServ. I thought a compairison of the two was
relavant, but again, I completly concede that Orion is in a totally different
class, that was kinda the whole point.
> > I also think Orion is better than say WebLogic because it is
> > so much easier to administer.
> Ofcourse its easier to admin, I would guess that the J2EE part of the server
> is just as easy to admin, have you seen all that stuff the WebLogic server
> supports, its the admins nightmare, and thank good its not my job, but its
> two servers of the same class. So if you compare them use some real
> arguments like, performance, price, uptime and so on. I think Orion is the
> best bet for a small to medium company who is looking for a total sollution
> to get on the web. WebLogic is a killer server whitch large organizations go
> for, because of its known and has been tested in HIGH trafic areas like
> Amazon.com and so on. Don't missunderstand me, i use Orion all the time at
> my customers, AND for development at my machine (size is everything hehe).
Orion may be small now, but look at JRun. They were small once too, and now Sun
is using their product on their website.
>
> > we all know how dumb designers are
> <note>Im a developer</note>....But i would like to see your arguments for
> why designers are dumb? I know loads of them and they are highly inteligent
> (most of em anyways :) but ofcourse theyre experts at different areas than I
> (and thank good, then I don't have to do those things).
THIS WAS A JOKE!!! Hence the "(hehe,jk)" laugh and the JUST KIDDING! I realized
that this was going to primarily developers, and I was poking fun at team
members that provide a very valuable skill that I stink at.
> I think you should do some more thinking before posting a letter like this.
> I still think Apache for instance is a killer for some firms. Depending on
> what theyre hosting there (its free you know, eaven for commercial hosting).
> And last time i checked Orion was still a Beta :)
I did some thinking(I admit I rambled on a bit, but I did write this at ~4am). I
still personally use Apache for some stuff.
> As a closing thing after so much negative speaking I want to say to the
> Orion crew: Good work, hope you will be ready for releasing your product
> with config panels and get a widely used product pretty fast. I like the
> product so far, I allready deployed one sollution on it, and the customer is
> happy (migrating from IIS). This product has huge potential, amongst other
> things because of the speed of the server, and since i just love java server
> implementations :), their SOO portable between platforms :)...
>
Agreed, I love the fact that I can develop on win2k, have a designer running 98,
and deploy on *NIX, with no code changes. I was not trying to cause any division
or angst on the list, that was not my goal. I was just trying to address the
apache modules thread, and then kinda went nuts. Oh well.
> Klaus Myrseth
>
> Orion is our firms prefered platform for Linux and WAP deployments btw :)
>
P.S. JDC has Windows 1.3rc1 JDK.
Noah Nordrum
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Hyperride Technologies
