<open source project plug>
We're writing an app server independent user management API at the moment,
feel free to read details and contribute to the mailing lists - see
http://www.opensymphony.com .
It will have plugins for the major app servers, so if you develop to the API
and swap servers, you'll just be able to plugin the new user management
module applicable to your server.
There's lots of other cool J2EE stuff there too, check it out ;)
</open source project plug>
-mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 6:52 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??: Rebuttle...
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> Its close to app server independence, but the spec doesn't go far
> enough in some
> areas. One good example is User Management. I would love to use
> the security
> constraints stuff in the web.xml file, but the mechanism to
> add/modify/delete
> users is server proprietary.
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> I'm sure this is just one of serveral areas that are like this in
> the spec.
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> m
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> Mark R Mascolino
> The Procter & Gamble Co.
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> Ozzie Gurkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:
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> Subject:
> RE: Any news from Orion yet??: Rebuttle...
> 01/15/01 11:41 AM
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> Please respond to Orion-Interest
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> Not to sound like a hipocrat but I believe the J2EE standard calls for a
> pplication server independence flexibility. You must think to
> yourself what
> makes your application so dependent on the server it is deployed onto.
> Besides the custom deployment descriptors (orion-ejb-jar,
> weblogic-ejb-jar,
> jboss, and so on) you should architect your system independent of any app
> server dependent features like clustering, fail-over and load
> balancing. If
> you sit down and outline the layers that are dependent on the underlying
> mechanism, you will be able to isolate and separate your application. Do
> you rememeber that Java is supposed to be independent of its OS?
>
> So, coming back to my point: even if Orion does go under, you should be
> able to switch out to another server and modify some deployment
> descriptors
> with no problem. I have my application running under Weblogic, Orion, and
> Jboss with only the deployment descriptors different.
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> I hope this helps and triggers some thought.
>
> Thanks,
> Ozzie Gurkan
>
> --- Robert Krueger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Of course, this is a little unfair - weblogic hadn't had a new release
> > for
> > >several months, either. They've just had a major release
> recently, which
> > >makes it seem like they're more active than Orion, when that's not
> > >necessarily the case. It might be, but that's not implied by the
> > situation
> > >at present.
> > >
> > >For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the
> > >speed is stil EXCELLENT. While I'm very much looking forward to a new
> >
> > doesn't buy you much if it isn't reliable. that's the sad thing. it's
> > true
> > that they are ahead of the pack in a number of fields but if
> you're stuck
> >
> > with a serious bug without the slightest hint when things will be fixed
> > it's still a KO criterion (germanism?). at the moment we're not
> switching
> >
> > to an alternative because
> >
> > 1. most of our projects where orion is currently used in production
> > wouldn't allow a switch to WLS budgetwise
> > 2. OSS alternatives are still far from the completeness orion
> offers (sad
> >
> > but it's the truth), which especially hurts if you have a large
> number of
> >
> > deployed J2EE applications which we do
> > 3. there is some (not too much) hope left, they have learned
> their lesson
> >
> > and won't underestimate QA requirements in the future once they
> come back
> >
> > and start releasing updates again
> >
> > at the moment we settled for living with a number of strange behaviours
> > and
> > awkward workarounds that we simply hope won't break our necks the next
> > day
> > (which is not a good feeling to live with). one lesson I have learned is
> > that there is a substantial risk involved in choosing a brandnew (even
> > standard) technology. I would be more careful next time. Now too much
> > work
> > has gone into the current setup to change it to other alternatives and
> > other products supporting the same standards are simply too expensive.
> >
> > >round of released bug fixes, I'm still waiting for some things to shake
> > >out before I abandon ship.
> >
> > but you have to admit that it's getting harder to hold on to that?
> >
> > my 2 c
> >
> > robert
> >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Santosh Kumar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:57 AM
> > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi kevin,
> > > > As far as i have known WL5.1 or <, there is no
> concept of ear
> >
> > > files,
> > > > does 6.0 include
> > > > that. Doesn't the J2EE mandate (I am not sure!) the use of EAR
> > > = WAR + JAR
> > > > + CAR(or JAR)?
> > > > To deploy the JPS1.1.1 on Orion, it is a piece of cake, while
> > deploying on
> > > > WLS, i have to
> > > > unpack the EAR files and dis-integrate them which is contrary to the
> > > essence
> > > > of packaging the ear files,
> > > > Even meddling with the ugly weblogic.properties frustrates one and
> > all. Is
> > > > that true with all WLS users?
> > > >
> > > > Orion is a neat impl of J2EE, is WLS6.0?
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Santosh.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Kevin Duffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: Orion-Interest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:07 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I am not one to advocate another product, but WL6 looks
> nice. It is
> > easy
> > > > to
> > > > > work with compared to WL5.1. Orion is still the best. JBoss looks
> > very
> > > > > interesting as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf
> Of Neville
> > > > > > Burnell
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 2:26 PM
> > > > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > > > Cc: Orion-Interest
> > > > > > Subject: FW: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes - pls Orion people, publish some news & update Orion ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We are looking to buy at least 3 licences over the next
> few weeks
> > if
> > > > > > everything is ok
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neville Burnell
> > > > > > Business Manager Software
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Duffey, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, 14 January 2001 12:45 PM
> > > > > > To: Orion-Interest
> > > > > > Subject: Any news from Orion yet??
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Has anyone heard from the team lately? I know I saw a post about
> > a
> > > month
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > so ago. Its been about 3 or 4 months since anything has changed
> > on
> > > their
> > > > > > site, if not longer and now its getting me worried. I can
> > understand
> > > > > > them
> > > > > > trying to organize the company, but did production stop on the
> > app
> > > > > > server? I
> > > > > > wish there was some news once every couple of weeks or so from
> > them on
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > site letting us know what is happening.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >-----------------------------------------------------------
> > >Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > >http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
> > >
> >
> > (-) Robert Krüger
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> > (-) Tel: 06151 665401, Fax: 06151 665373
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