On Mon, 11 Jun 2001, Jay Armstrong wrote:
> Nathan,
>
> A lot of what you're saying is true. I acknowledge that Orion is
> relatively fast and has some great features (like auto-reconfigure), but I
> recall that Orion used to claim that it was the fastest J2EE product (or
> something like that), then had to remove that claim from the
> orionserver.com site (I think BEA challenged the claim).
No, BEA didn't challenge the claim. BEA refuses anyone (IBM, etc.) to
publish performance specs for comparison purposes. The result was that
Orion couldn't say "We did this in X, and BEA did it in Y." Orion is
hardly unique in this.
> Also, one of the first questions I get asked when recommending software for
> clients is about support. It's probably the primary reason why major
> systems do not rely on open products, or "semi-open" products like Orion.
Or Oracle... but wait, that might make the Oracle deal a win for Orion
users.
> Yes, Karl and Magnus built a fabulous product, but where's the support
> (documentation, help desk, etc)?
I've done well without it.
> I am not applauding the support for WebLogic, WebsFear, IPlanit, etc, but
> if I report a problem with WebLogic to BEA, eventually it will filter to
> the gurus, who will respond (usually they ask for a reconfigure, restart,
> and a dump).
And usually if people know your problem, they'll get to it here, too.
> Who will handle this for Orion/Oracle? Karl and Magnus? They rarely
> respond now, so don't you think they could get even more overwhelmed?
>
> Please, point me to where Ellison talked about support.
Heh, you haven't LOOKED at Oracle much, have you? They *already* have
support networks in place...
> Jay
>
> At 09:32 AM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >On a different note concerning the Oracle deal:
> >
> >I wasn't at JavaOne, but I've been reading all about it on the web. One
> >news story that I've seen a lot about is Larry Ellison and Bill Coleman's
> >little fight. Oracle has put Orion in the big leagues... I mean, Karl could
> >have produced all sorts of documentation that said "Orion is better then
> >Weblogic," but BEA would have paid it no attention. However, when Oracle
> >says "Oracle is better then Weblogic," BEA certainly takes notice!
> >
> >I consider this a great victory for Ironflare, the J2EE community, and every
> >single young person hacking away in his garage. This proves it--a few
> >talented and committed developers can accomplish anything they set their
> >minds too. I think Larry Ellison said it best, when, at JavaOne, he said
> >"We have thrown out literally all of our old Java code. The reason we threw
> >away all of our old J2EE implementations is we had to build a high
> >performance, scaleable version of J2EE. We think that this is a huge
> >breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single
> >biggest threat to Java, which is performance."
> >
> >And we, all of us on this list, know what Larry Ellison was really saying...
> >
> >"We replaced all our old Java code with the code from a small Swedish
> >company called Ironflare. The reason we threw away all of our old J2EE
> >implementations was that, plain and simple, these two Swedish guys are
> >studs, and had managed to build a high performance, scaleable version of
> >J2EE when we had largely failed internally. We think that this is a huge
> >breakthrough for the entire Java community because it addresses the single
> >biggest threat to Java, which is performance."
> >
> > -LARRY ELLISON
> > CEO, ORACLE
> >
> >
> >Now, that is sweet!
> >
> >
>
>
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