Hi Bill,
ok,ok it was subjective 100-times....but:
i'm using Orion-1.5.2 and Borland's ias 4.5.1 on a 1.3GHz Athlon
with 512MB and Sun's jdk1.3.1 for
one of our applications (.ear) was build with using 'ant' in 14sec.
(size of the ear-file is 1.8MB)
additional step for ias (java2iiop) takes 4:15min (ear-file is 3.1MB)
fresh deploy on orion takes 25sec.
fresh deploy on ias takes 8min.
new start of orion with the installed application 20sec.
new start of ias with the installed application 3:30min.
HotDeploy does not work all times (depends on the .ear(?)) on
orion _and_ ias.
usually our developers using a local installed orion - no cost!
our Testserver is a 2-CPU (800MHz) Machine with 1GB where are
installed 10 apps and where 2-3 developers (hot)deploy their applications
some times the day or restart the orion some times the day.
i think if we use ias in this environment, the machine will spent the whole
day with "HotSwap" or restarting ;)
(and also we have not tons money to order ias-licenses for our n-CPU servers)
> Next time check and make sure your not in Kansas before making these
> statments.
i spent this morning to check this and i'm definitly not in Kansas :)
but if i be there next time, we will drink some cups of coffee during deploying of
some apps in ias ;)))
klaus
Am Sonntag, 23. September 2001 22:21 schrieben Sie:
> Klaus,
>
> A hundred times faster? BullFeathers!
>
> That is not possible since one of Borland AppServer's best features
> is "HotSwap" technology for supporting nonstop deployment and nonstop
> updating and maintenance of EJBs.
>
> Next time check and make sure your not in Kansas before making these
> statments.
>
> Bill G...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Klaus
> Thiele Sent: Saturday, September 22, 2001 8:04 AM
> To: Orion-Interest
> Subject: Re: Questions about Orion
>
>
> I know about Orion _and_ Borland's AppSrv and WebLogic and i'm glad
> to use Orion because the development and turnaround/deploytimes are
> more than hundred times faster.
> Orion runs for us in a production-environment on some Linux
> 1/2/4-CPU- Machines very fast and stable.
>
> klaus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, September 21, 2001 9:15 PM
> Subject: RE: Questions about Orion
>
> > Don't know about Orion but I am using MS/SQL Server 2000 with
> > JSQLConnect JDBC drivers with both Borland and WebLogic Appservers.
> > And, it is working very well.
> >
> > Bill G...
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of The
> > elephantwalker
> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 10:08 PM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: RE: Questions about Orion
> >
> >
> > Vlad,
> >
> > Here are the answers as I know them:
> >
> > 1. SQL Server 2000 database --> That's a tough one. I don't know
> > any IT managers recommending this beast. But if you got to live
> > with it ... make sure you test the jdbc drivers with all necessary
> > uses of sql including things like LIMIT, CLOB, BLOB as well as
> > 100's of open connections. These are the key database needs for a
> > appserver servicing the web.
> >
> > 2. Orion uses the Java 1.3 jvm from Sun, IBM or others. As they
> > say, if it runs on one, it runs on all.
> >
> > 3. We use IBM's jvm with absolutely no problems.
> >
> > 4. Scalability is determined by your clustering needs. Orion
> > clusters httpsessions in islands of two to four servers. Statefull
> > Session Beans
>
> are
>
> > not clustered, but entity beans and slsb's are easily set up in a
>
> clustered
>
> > environment. Orion is easily the fastest jsp/servlet engine on the
> > planet, and along with some very good performance numbers on the
> > ejb side, you can out do other app servers by a factor of 3 to 1.
> > By the way, Orion by
>
> itself
>
> > can out do IIS by six to one! Oracle thought so much of the Orion
> > performance, they licensed the software as the core of their j2ee
> > application server.
> >
> >
> > 5. j2ee security is used on Orion, you can implement your own user
>
> security,
>
> > or link up with ldap, or use the builtin usermanagers for
> > databases. SSL
>
> is
>
> > also a feature of Orion, but I would recommend locking down your
> > web
>
> server
>
> > with SSL, or use a hardward accelerator, and proxying Orion outside
> > the
>
> dmz.
>
> > This is how most firms implement appservers.
> >
> > 6. Like anything, if you run it on Windows, it will be compromised.
> > We
>
> have
>
> > not had any security troubles with Linux RedHat 7.1 and orion.
> >
> > 7. Ironflare doesn't really provide the technical support that some
> > need. With Ironflare's encouragement, companies like Flowsheet
> > Technologies and others provide subscription based customer support
> > for Orion. Join our
>
> site,
>
> > www.elephantwalker.com, its free, and sign up for a subscription
> > when you need some help. We also provide a course for Orion in the
> > San Francisco
>
> Bay
>
> > Area.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > the elephantwalker
> > www.elephantwalker.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vlad
> > Vinogradsky
> > Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 8:22 PM
> > To: Orion-Interest
> > Subject: Questions about Orion
> >
> >
> > I am evaluating the Orion server for use in a production web site
> > which would be hosted by a hosting services provider. It would run
> > on a Windows 2000 box alongside other web sites serviced by IIS and
> > will manage data in SQL Server 2000 database. I have a few
> > questions I wasn't able to find answers to and I wonder if you can
> > help me with them.
> >
> > 1. I wonder if anybody had any negative experience using Orion
> > server on Windows 2000 or with SQL Server 2000? I-Net jdbc products
> > are going to be used.
> >
> > 2. Any comments on performance, scalability and availability of the
> > Orion server on Windows 2000?
> >
> > 3. What VM is best to use to run Orion server?
> >
> > 4. Does it have auto start and restart features? Do you have to
> > have an interactive logon session to start it?
> >
> > 5. What security context does it run in?
> >
> > 6. What is Orion server security track record? Has it ever been
> > compromised or taken out by DOS attacks?
> >
> > 7. Any comments on IronFlare's technical support? It looks like
> > there is no live tech support - just email.
> >
> > All input is welcome.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Vlad
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