> These people that just yell on this list "unscribe (sic) me!" would be
> damn near flamed on any real open source project. You're expected to do a
> little homework on your own to figure out how to do this. RTFM. STFW. How
> hard is it? Not everything is just handed to you when you're a member of an
> Open Source project.
>

There are plenty of "real" open source projects that respond to newcomer
confusion with patience, kindness, and instruction with regard to meta
skills.  Just this morning at PyCon I had a great conversation with another
professional open source developer & educator about how hard it is to know
what you don't know, and how to help newcomers "unstick themselves".
You're reading ignorance as laziness and/or entitlement, but I see it (most
of the time) as unfamiliarity with tools and culture.

Please stop treating open source as a monolith.  You may find that
hostility is the best way to help people, but I don't, and almost all of
the open source projects I interact with don't.

- Shauna



>
> How ironic that we have exactly that case here on a mailing list about
> Open Source. How sad. Some things never change.
>
> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Striker Leggette <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Fresh subscriber, first time responder here.
>>
>> By "e-mail", do you mean the message thread/chain?  If so, they would
>> definitely need to ask to be removed from the list of CC'd addresses.
>>
>> If you mean "e-mail list", then the links at the bottom of a list bounce
>> would direct users directly to the list they wish to unsubscribe from.
>> You can also see which list e-mails spawn from by looking at the
>> subject: [Osdc-list].  Note, that adding the list id to the subject is
>> optional for the list administrators.  I imagine this is done to allow
>> easier filtering.
>>
>> IMHO, the system cannot be to blame because mailman cannot change how
>> your e-mail client handles the messages it receives.  Links will be in
>> the same place within an e-mail thread whether they are directly
>> pointing to the 'unsubscribe button' or not.  In the case of mailman,
>> however, authentication is required in order to unsubscribe, so links
>> such as the ones that are one-click-unsubscribe are not possible -
>> mailman does not generate 'token links'.
>>
>> I believe the point has been made, however.  Perhaps we can let this
>> thread die. :)
>>
>> On 04/09/2015 01:15 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
>> > The problem might be people don't know with which email they are
>> > subscribed. Would be great to have that info there as well and even
>> > better to have a "one click and unsubscribe" link like mailchimp and co
>> >
>> > In general I wouldn't blame the customer, I prefer to blame the system.
>> >
>>
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