That's good to know. I've yet to learn to use IRC; this might be a good way to start. :-)
- Randy Randy Macdonald Program Manager, Innovation Academy TAO Foundation 123 NE 3rd Ave Portland, OR 97232 [email protected] On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Robin Muilwijk <[email protected]> wrote: > Randy, > > In case you don't know, some of the moderators ( > http://opensource.com/community-moderator-program) and staff also hangout > regularly on IRC. See https://opensource.com/life/10/11/joining-us-irc. > You are always welcome for a chat and/or questions. > > Best, Robin > > > On Fri, Apr 10, 2015 at 6:08 PM, Randy Macdonald <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Rikki, >> >> I just want to thank you for your nice post. Newbies to opensource work, >> like myself, really appreciate that level of compassionate understanding. >> :-) >> >> Randy Macdonald >> Program Manager, Innovation Academy >> TAO Foundation >> 123 NE 3rd Ave >> Portland, OR 97232 >> [email protected] >> >> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Rikki Endsley <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> Now that I've got ~1 month on OSDC under my belt, and, more importantly, >>> I have the list admin keys, I changed the settings to moderate messages >>> to the osdc-list going forward. >>> >>> Shauna, totally agree with your points: >>> >>> *There are plenty of "real" open source projects that respond to >>> newcomer confusion with patience, kindness, and instruction with regard to >>> meta skills. Just this morning at PyCon I had a great conversation with >>> another professional open source developer & educator about how hard it is >>> to know what you don't know, and how to help newcomers "unstick >>> themselves". You're reading ignorance as laziness and/or entitlement, but >>> I see it (most of the time) as unfamiliarity with tools and culture. * >>> >>> List admins will respond off-list to newcomers and help them "unstick >>> themselves". And the list can get back to discussions about Opensource.com >>> (instead of discussions about the list). >>> >>> Let me know if you have questions or concerns. And thanks for all the >>> thoughtful feedback! >>> Rikki >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> Rikki Endsley >>> >>> Community Manager, Opensource.com >>> Twitter: @opensourceway | @rikkiends >>> >>> Discover an open source world -- http://opensource.com >>> * Editorial calendar: http://opensource.com/resources/editorial-calendar >>> * How to submit a story: http://opensource.com/how-submit-article >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Shauna Gordon-McKeon" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *"Eric Weddington" <[email protected]> >>> *Cc: *"osdc-list" <[email protected]>, "Donato Cohen, Malena" < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Sent: *Thursday, April 9, 2015 2:54:51 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [Osdc-list] unscribe >>> >>> >>> >>> These people that just yell on this list "unscribe (sic) me!" would be >>>> damn near flamed on any real open source project. You're expected to do a >>>> little homework on your own to figure out how to do this. RTFM. STFW. How >>>> hard is it? Not everything is just handed to you when you're a member of an >>>> Open Source project. >>>> >>> >>> There are plenty of "real" open source projects that respond to newcomer >>> confusion with patience, kindness, and instruction with regard to meta >>> skills. Just this morning at PyCon I had a great conversation with another >>> professional open source developer & educator about how hard it is to know >>> what you don't know, and how to help newcomers "unstick themselves". >>> You're reading ignorance as laziness and/or entitlement, but I see it (most >>> of the time) as unfamiliarity with tools and culture. >>> >>> Please stop treating open source as a monolith. You may find that >>> hostility is the best way to help people, but I don't, and almost all of >>> the open source projects I interact with don't. >>> >>> - Shauna >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> How ironic that we have exactly that case here on a mailing list about >>>> Open Source. How sad. Some things never change. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Striker Leggette <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> Fresh subscriber, first time responder here. >>>>> >>>>> By "e-mail", do you mean the message thread/chain? If so, they would >>>>> definitely need to ask to be removed from the list of CC'd addresses. >>>>> >>>>> If you mean "e-mail list", then the links at the bottom of a list >>>>> bounce >>>>> would direct users directly to the list they wish to unsubscribe from. >>>>> You can also see which list e-mails spawn from by looking at the >>>>> subject: [Osdc-list]. Note, that adding the list id to the subject is >>>>> optional for the list administrators. I imagine this is done to allow >>>>> easier filtering. >>>>> >>>>> IMHO, the system cannot be to blame because mailman cannot change how >>>>> your e-mail client handles the messages it receives. Links will be in >>>>> the same place within an e-mail thread whether they are directly >>>>> pointing to the 'unsubscribe button' or not. In the case of mailman, >>>>> however, authentication is required in order to unsubscribe, so links >>>>> such as the ones that are one-click-unsubscribe are not possible - >>>>> mailman does not generate 'token links'. >>>>> >>>>> I believe the point has been made, however. Perhaps we can let this >>>>> thread die. :) >>>>> >>>>> On 04/09/2015 01:15 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote: >>>>> > The problem might be people don't know with which email they are >>>>> > subscribed. Would be great to have that info there as well and even >>>>> > better to have a "one click and unsubscribe" link like mailchimp and >>>>> co >>>>> > >>>>> > In general I wouldn't blame the customer, I prefer to blame the >>>>> system. >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Osdc-list mailing list | This is a place for our readers, writers, >>>>> moderators and artists to discuss matters concerning Opensource.com and >>>>> otherwise do the work that makes this a community practicing the open >>>>> source way. >>>>> >>>>> Sign-up for our weekly newsletter: >>>>> http://opensource.com/email-newsletter >>>>> >>>>> Send a message: [email protected] >>>>> Change preferences: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/osdc-list >>>>> Unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/options/osdc-list >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Osdc-list mailing list | This is a place for our readers, writers, >>>> moderators and artists to discuss matters concerning Opensource.com and >>>> otherwise do the work that makes this a community practicing the open >>>> source way. >>>> >>>> Sign-up for our weekly newsletter: >>>> http://opensource.com/email-newsletter >>>> >>>> Send a message: [email protected] >>>> Change preferences: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/osdc-list >>>> Unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/options/osdc-list >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Osdc-list mailing list | This is a place for our readers, writers, >>> moderators and artists to discuss matters concerning Opensource.com and >>> otherwise do the work that makes this a community practicing the open >>> source way. >>> >>> Sign-up for our weekly newsletter: >>> http://opensource.com/email-newsletter >>> >>> Send a message: [email protected] >>> Change preferences: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/osdc-list >>> Unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/options/osdc-list >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Osdc-list mailing list | This is a place for our readers, writers, >>> moderators and artists to discuss matters concerning Opensource.com and >>> otherwise do the work that makes this a community practicing the open >>> source way. >>> >>> Sign-up for our weekly newsletter: >>> http://opensource.com/email-newsletter >>> >>> Send a message: [email protected] >>> Change preferences: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/osdc-list >>> Unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/options/osdc-list >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Osdc-list mailing list | This is a place for our readers, writers, >> moderators and artists to discuss matters concerning Opensource.com and >> otherwise do the work that makes this a community practicing the open >> source way. >> >> Sign-up for our weekly newsletter: http://opensource.com/email-newsletter >> >> Send a message: [email protected] >> Change preferences: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/osdc-list >> Unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/options/osdc-list >> > > > > -- > Robin Muilwijk > > *Ambassador Opensource.com : Open Source Advocate : Community Manager & > Board member, eZ Publish Community Board : Community Management : Social > Media : Advisor Internet and e-Government* > > *Discover an open source world** | http://opensource.com > <http://opensource.com>* > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/robinmuilwijk/ > Twitter : @i_robin <http://twitter.com/i_robin> > Skype ID : robin.muilwijk >
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