UiTM already do java for more than 5 years. The Computer Science Diploma got java on every semester and I am one of their products. Kudos Java and UiTM!
Hasanuddin Abu Bakar ------------------------------- Ubuntu embedded developer/tester https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org PGP Public Key http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5C&op=index On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel < [email protected]> wrote: > > From our Cyber Merdeka..... > > > http://ejn3.blogspot.com/2009/06/to-mdec-java-should-be-national-agenda.html > > I had a meeting with MDEC a few weeks before OSCONF and they reveal > some startling statistics: Apparently 50.6 % of MSC companies are in > need... no... are dying to find good Java programmers. So much so, > they don't mind going to Indonesia, the Philippines and many other > places, to recruit programmers there (offshore). These companies are > willing to train them and > pay them a handsome fee just so that they can have decent Java programmers. > > Now, 50.6 % is a big number. It's bigger than the need for .Net, for > Ruby, for Phyton,, for PHP, for SAP. > > Heck, it's bigger than .Net, Ruby, Phyton, PHP and SAP COMBINED! > > In other words, most (and that's a big "most") of the projects within > MSC now are Java based. > > Now here's a short reality check, what if we (as a nation) do not > provide our MSC companies with these much needed Java programmers? Do > you think the jobs will switch to PHP? No way > Jose. What will happen is that jobs are going to go away. In this > case, it's be roughly 50% of the jobs. I've read somewhere that we > want to outdo China as the second largest outsourcing destination... > well, if 50% of the jobs here are going to Indonesia... good luck with > that. > > So what should we do. Here's a few sugestion to MDEC: > > 1) Take over Java education in Malaysia and don't leave it to Sun > > ... Heck, don't even leave it to Oracle. In my experience, Oracle is > sooo not interested in small markets (where most of the jobs dwindle) > They care for big multi-million dollar accounts but Oracle is almost > invisible in smaller arenas. The fact that Oracle is going to buy over > Sun (and thus become the steward of Java) will mean less resources > will be dedicated towards Java education (and it was already bad under > Sun). > > OK, I know a few people in Microsoft and the Ruby/Phyton/PHP group are > so going to whack me on this but listen up: MDEC has to take over Java > education, not because MDEC is favouring Java over other platforms or > languages, not because MDEC is some Sun/Oracle/Java/Obama hugger. No! > but because it makes business sense to do so. If MDEC is not doing > this, good bye 50 or so % of MSC jobs. Besides, if you are a > Ruby/Physton/PHP developer, these language runs well on the JVM too so > this call make sense to all (well, almost all :P ) > > 2) Revamp the Java sylabus > > Sun's objective in Java education is to ram a dead horse down the > programmers throat... and that dead horse is called "applet > programming". Ask any university student who has studied Java and they > will equate Java to ugly applets. > > Gosh! stop it already!. Applet is dead, get over it Sun... wait a > minute, they did. That is why they introduce JavaFX. So, what is with > this rubbing of people's face with applet anyway? because > people are lazy ... especially to update sylabus. > > We need to revamp the sylabus. Sun will not do it for us. MDeC has to > do it (On a side note, I'm more than willing to volunteer my time to > revamp the Java sylabus). > > In my opinion, to teach basic Java and OOP, Java ME should be a better > platform. First off, I can just imagine how students feel if the > "Pong" game they created can run on their own phones. It's > something to show off about, it's cool, it's something to twitt about... > > Game is a perfect environment to teach OOP. Objects become natural (in > form of sprite and what not). > > Next, come basic networking. Heck, ask them to create a twitter > client. That'll be cool too eh?. Next come bluetooth, GPS and what > not. Mesh that up with Google Map and voila, Java becomes cool again! > > Another point about revamping the sylabus is this: stop "protecting" > the students. I know lecturers who say "We can't teach them JavaEE. > It's just too complex, the students will become demotivated"... > puhleeezzz. > > The truth is, JavaEE is intimidating to the lecturers, not the > students. JavaEE (Servlet 3, JSF 2, EJB 3.1, basic security, > messaging... heck, even SOA) should be thought to final year students > because if you do not know basic ORM you're practically useless as a > Java programmer. > > If the lecturers are inadequate in terms of experience and knowledge, > we need to bring in the professionals into the universities. And thus > my third point.... > > 3) Bring in Java pros into the universities > > During that meeting with MDEC, I can really feel the dire need by the > companies to get good Java programmers. Now, if these companies are > willing to travel in Indonesia to train people there, I'm sure they > are more than willing to contribute to our local universities. > > Sure, these Java pros might not have a PhD and, I guess, according to > univerisities, they are somehow "a muggle" and "has no right to take a > podium at our distinguished ivory towers". > > Here's what I have to say to that: Bulls**t! > > Knowledge is knowledge. If it comes not from a research work but > rather from the grudge of waking up at 3 in the morning debugging a > JBOSS classloader, it is still knowledge worth propagating, worth > teaching. And thus these Java pros need to be integrated into > universities despite their lack of a PhDs. > > 4) MDeC needs to work closely with the universities > > ... on how to teach Java. Work closely with the council of Dean of IT > faculties. Get them to commit on Java BIG TIME!. Bring Neal Gafter and > Josh Bloch here to teach our lecturers on the intricacies of Java. > Have an unconference where any lecturer can propose his approach to > teach Java. (Heck, Microsoft did it for Windows, now MDeC has to do it > for Java... remember the 50.6% ) > > > It is not too late to act if we act now... I mean like now, this very > second. To my friends in MDeC, please push for this. 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