And people won't mind learning, using and adapting proprietary softwares because they can get them for free too, via pirates, For a very good example, students are taught using proprietary softwares and they are required to finish they homeworks/assignments using the proprietary softwares, and you know what most of the proprietary softwares are!!! Microsoft Office, Adobe Software Suites, are they free and cheap? when even I cannot afford them!!! What are we educating? Pirates!!! When people cannot afford or doesn't want to pay, they steal!!! And stealing softwares, musics and movies are okay even to us. If you bought original softwares/games, I'm sure people around you will comment/scold/whatever that you're gila/crazy/nuts/rich/stupid. As long as people can get them for free, they'll take them same as Free and Open Source!!! Just ask anyone around us, how many of them can differentiate Proprietary Pay Software, Freeware and FOSS? Pathetically, most answers you'll get are 'Who cares?', 'They are all the same what', 'Free?!'
I think if we need to push FOSS to the next level, we need to eliminate such misconception, via our educational system ;) Like Richard Stallman said, when people are taught to use these proprietary softwares, they only know and need and must use them, and when they cannot afford, they'll rob and steal, like drug addicts, and our educators are the drug feeders. And I still despise VB Sorry, I didn't read all the previous posts. I just say whatever I wanted to say. Regards, CL Chow "Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/"; On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Boh Yap <[email protected]> wrote: > hi lufti, > > you say yr research concerns FOSS in education, I think there are 2 > aspects: > > 1. using FOSS to teach computer literacy, computing and related subjects > 2. using FOSS as the underlying infrastructure, and the delivery mechanism > > The 2 can be independent, although ideally they work best together, > especially for IT Education. > > Briefly, (as I dont have the time now to write a lengthy discussion) > its like this: > > 1. to learn any skill, like painting, sculpting even > engineering/architecture, you study the works of great masters. For > any sculptor of painter, its a great privilege and opportunity to be > able to go to Italy to study the works of Leornardo (daVinci the > artist, not the Ninja Turtle! ;-). To learn to code, you look at the > work of master programmers, with FOSS you can do that! You can't see > the code in proprietary SW! > > Same with Sys Admin, with FOSS, you have to 'get your hands dirty', > working with CLI and you are 'forced' to understand what you're are > doing. With Windoze, you just learn which buttons to click. You LEARN > THE INTERFACE NOT THEORY! > > For computer literacy (learning to use a browser, WP, Speadsheet), > then using FOSS may not have an advantage becos the interface is not > so 'slick'. But its always better to learn on something you get free, > rather than after learning, you have to go spend 100's$$ to buy SW! > > 2. As a content creation, management and delivery infra, FOSS has the > same advantages as in entreprise, cost, reliability, no vendor lock > down and perhaps most important, YOUR CONTENT DOES NOT GO OBSOLOTETE > with the next generation of OS upgrade. Raja mentioned CBT, which was > 'hot' a few decades ago... there were even specialise vendors PLATO > (HW & SW), Authorware (SW) which allowed you to create powerful > learning tools. PLATO no is longer around, and Authorware got bought > by Maco-Media, then Adobe and probably became part of Flash... but > they are no longer around, and ALL that content that was developed is > OBSOLETE! > > Also, if and Edu instituition use both 1 & 2 together, you have even > more powerful synergies, the IT Dept. get to work on the actual infra > itself. Its no conincidence: Carnegie Mellon, MIT, Stanford, UC > Berkeley,... all these worked on the DARPA project which gave us the > Internet and they are top Unis for IT & Comp. Sc. > > Hope this gives you some ideas... > > > 2010/8/15 Raja Iskandar Shah <[email protected]>: > > masa zaman saya dulu, cbt (computer based training) agak berjaya. > > > > sekarang ni pun nampak educational cd untuk anak2 saya agak berkesan > juga. > > > > tapi lms (macam) oum pula tidak nampak keberkesanan. > > > > mungkin computer adalah lebih sesuai untuk structured training, > > > > > > 2010/8/15 red1 <[email protected]> > >> > >> On 8/15/10 12:09 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel wrote: > >>> > >>> Setuju dengan Red1. Banyak projek LMS gagal ... Tak perlu dicerita > >>> panjang nanti ada yang marah... > >>> > >> > >> jangan bimbang terhadap kemarahan manusia. Sesungguhnya Dr. Nurhizam > >> Saife sendiri pun memberikan pendapat sedemikian secara akademik kepada > >> wakil Libya temph hari yang ingin memperkenalkan eLearning. Juga guru > >> eLearning Malaysia (lupa nama) dari UKM telah memberi nasihat > berjaga-jaga > >> terhadap soal ini. 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