Yeah Ralph, Mark's got it right. We used totally legit and legal means to figure out the RTMP protocol (black box reverse engineering). It makes no sense at all for Adobe to try and pursue legal action against Red5 because it's been established that reverse engineering a protocol for interoperability is legal. Samba is an excellent example, but there are others as well, think of all the "unofficial" drivers there are for Linux based systems.
Anyway, I think that Red5 is nothing but good news for the Flash platform as a whole. It gets people into using RTMP much easier and removes certain barriers that some people would never have crossed if it weren't for our open source solution. In addition, Red5 has become much more than an FMS replacement. It's much more extensible as it can easily tie into existing libraries for Java (Hibernate, Java Sound API, ACEGE, etc...), the language on the server side is a full featured OOP language, it runs on any OS that supports Java (Mac OS X for example) and it's open for people to modify to suite their specific needs. -Chris On 5/10/07, Mark Winterhalder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sure in essence it´s still reverse engineering, but as they are cool with it > > ? Or am I missing another point here ? > > I think that it's reverse engineering is precisely /why/ they have /no > choice/ but to be cool with it. I-am-not-a-lawyer, but AFAIK RE is OK, > especially for protocols, and especially in the EU. > > You don't think Microsoft 'is cool with' Samba, do you? :) > > Mark > > > > On 5/10/07, Ralph Hauwert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > OS is what all the cool kids are on now-a-days ;-) > > > > But on topic; I always thought AMF & RTMP where both as closed source ? > > > > Point being, that now the whole remoting thing is gone into FDS, Adobe is > > pretty cool about AMFPHP and the likes, right ? > > > > Sure in essence it´s still reverse engineering, but as they are cool with it > > ? Or am I missing another point here ? > > > > -R > > > > > > On 5/9/07, John Grden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > this is a copy of an email I posted recently: > > > > > > http:// osflash.org/red5/fud > > > > > > we've heard that several times - in that same order "developers love that > > we're so fired up about RTMP, lawyers, not so much" > > > > > > Truth is, the wowza guys, one of them, used to work for adobe. Before he > > started Wowza, he walked in and showed them what he was going to build and > > handed them a letter. They said nothing at all. > > > > > > Red5 is open source, we've documented our processes, and we feel great > > about all of it. Adobe probably won't come out and endorse Red5, but I do > > believe that RTMP is pretty low on the radar these days. I won't be > > surprised when they release the RTMP spec. > > > > > > Wowza is 1 of 2 companies that I've heard about doing a for-profit version > > of FMS. So, with that, I think we can feel a touch better about the whole > > "yeah half of adobe thinks its cool, but the lawyers aren't so keen" > > discussion. I personally think that discussion is old, and not been > > updated. > > > > > > Also, Adobe is incredibly OS minded. They quite a bit of OS stuff > > themselves. Especially since the merge. > > > > > > hth, > > > > > > John > > > > > > > > > On 5/9/07, Damien Cayzac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm developping an commercial application with RED5. What are the risk > > to use RTMP ? It's legal ? > > > > > > > > Sorry for my English ! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > osflash mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > [ JPG ] > > > _______________________________________________ > > > osflash mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Ralph Hauwert > > _______________________________________________ > > osflash mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > osflash mailing list > [email protected] > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org > _______________________________________________ osflash mailing list [email protected] http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/osflash_osflash.org
