Failing examples: -....Bring merchants to the desktop, and start to sell on the desktop (IS THAT A JOKE ???)
- then, there is AOL.... "With our Adobe AIR application, we can reach communities of users with compelling, free content available from AOL" (They now acknowledge they cannot reach communities of users online ;) - EBAY: The result: people can experience the world's largest online marketplace and engage with eBay services using a compact, intuitive desktop application. Wow really ? So what about revamping the website instead of developping a new interface ? In what sense does AIR feel right ? - The NASDAQ example: Quotes are everywhere, on your mobile on your tv on your paper on your face, but from now on, INVESTORS (gasp!) can follow quotes on their desktop (and this has been done thousand times, and this hasn't helped any investor :) ) Really really sorry, I am just a flash programmer, sites and applications, but I cannot feel the marketing crap here. I wonder if anyone at Adobe realized how old skool is the desktop, and how fast everything will move in the next 5 years ?? Cedric (ok ok, I am anti-air, but still pro flash platform) ps: the AIR symbol is fun (I see 'empty space') > I am quite intrigued by the hype and trendy comments AIR is receiving > (build with Flash, build with Flex, build with AJAX, build with > Legos, build with your cat, do a Tour, do some Zigs, and other > Zags) .,... I can count on the fingers of my hand the Good and > Functionnal AIR apps that are around ... and all the people > applausing just because the others are > Zinc is just a hell to make it work, but then it just works and IS > functionnal. They don't fancy around and such. > > Now Adobe asking for feedback and such ... :) > > The idea to find Hacks to a 1.0 version is soooo cheap... makes me > wonder what were those people thinking ? (They must have thought > something like: bring the browser to the desktop, but Nah! The > browser overtakes the desktop, so why would be have light apps > running on our desktop ? no sense at all) > > Really ? I am fed up of 'happy and glowing professionals' being over > optimistic on some overall not interesting initiative (actually: we > are all playing the idiots because we don't have any clue, we just > want to do technology and earn money, so we follow, so we > follow, ...). Do your homework, do some yoga (I need such right > now :P ) and bring better things than just doing over hyped > nonsense.... > > AIR ist Rad! > > Cedric > >> I totally agree. Without the ability to launch external apps AIR >> will have a hard time becoming more than a novelty. >> >> By the way, you can also use SQLLite with MDM. >> http://www.thecodezone.com/downloads/sqlite.php >> >> ------------------------------- >> Iman Khabazian >> Managing Director, iMAN IT >> 949.231.8042 >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> www.imanit.com >> www.scuge.com >> www.imanit.com/blog >> >> On Feb 13, 2008 2:45 PM, Keith Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Even as a hack, it is not pure AIR. It requires installing and >> running another application on your machine. The Artemis project >> does something similar. I totally agree with what Sam that this >> was a really poor decision. I think most of us would have gladly >> left the SQLLite stuff behind in favor of this. >> >> >> Keith Peters >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> On Feb 13, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Iman Khabazian wrote: >> >>> has anyone tried the hack? >>> http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2008/01/17/commandproxy-net-air- >>> integration-proof-of-concept/ >>> >>> -Iman >>> ------------------------------- >>> Iman Khabazian >>> Managing Director, iMAN IT >>> 949.231.8042 >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> www.imanit.com >>> www.scuge.com >>> www.imanit.com/blog >>> >>> >>> On Feb 13, 2008 2:31 PM, Samuel Agesilas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> wrote: >>> Yea it is a major, fudge up by Adobe. Essentially with AIR Adobe >>> build the Ferrari of desktop app development, but decided to slash >>> all the tires and put sugar in the gas tank when they decided to >>> seriously hamper AIR by not allowing calls apps to launch. Talk >>> about a dumb and stupid decision. and I don't believe Adobe knows >>> how crucial of a feature that is! For example, I had a client come >>> to us to develop a UI for an audio processing software project. >>> For the UI we looked at JavaFX ( which is not quite ready ), Java, >>> QT and Adobe AIR. AIR hit all of the points and the client was >>> ready to roll with AIR except for that crucial fact of not being >>> able to launch external apps. That was the deal breaker and the >>> client walked away from AIR development and decided to go with QT. >>> It's a shame to because that particular project was perfect for >>> Flash + AIR. If anyone at Adobe is reading this, PLEASE stop >>> handicapping your products and start trusting your developer >>> community. >>> >>> my two cents. >>> -sam >>> >>> On Feb 8, 2008, at 6:18 AM, slangeberg wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah, you're right. Not being able to make system calls / launch >>>> apps IS a major shortcoming of AIR, at this point. >>>> >>>> Here's an official Adobe statement, as of June: >>>> >>>> src: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm? >>>> catid=641&threadid=1298770&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear >>>> >>>> Thank you everyone who has contributed to this thread. My name is >>>> Rob Christensen and I'm a product manager on Adobe AIR. I'd like >>>> to provide some clarity on this topic, but also invite you to >>>> share additional thoughts. >>>> >>>> The primary reason that AIR 1.0 does not include support for >>>> launching native applications originates from a founding design >>>> decision/philosophy. Applications that do not depend on other >>>> applications to be installed result in a better user experience. >>>> Our goal with AIR has been to deliver a runtime that delivers >>>> applications consistently across operating systems. Please note >>>> that this doesn't mean we're right nor that we might not change >>>> our minds on this. >>>> >>>> We'd like to hear what you think on this topic. It's helpful if >>>> you can let us know what you're trying to build. The more >>>> specific you can be, the more helpful it is to our team. Please >>>> reply to this thread or send us a note through our feedback form. >>>> This form will send a message directly to our development and >>>> product management team. >>>> >>>> Feedback for (Adobe AIR) >>>> http://www.adobe.com/go/wish/ >>>> >>>> As with any design decision, there's plenty of opportunity to >>>> debate the topic and this is something we continue to discuss >>>> even internally. The major disadvantage is that it's much more >>>> difficult to take advantage of existing code libraries or launch >>>> other native applications. >>>> >>>> At the same time, one advantage to the current design is that >>>> when you distribute an application, you do not need to say, "This >>>> is a really great application, but make sure you have Microsoft >>>> Windows (or OSX) installed as well as Microsoft Word (or >>>> Photoshop or some other native product) to really take advantage >>>> of this application." >>>> >>>> Again, we may revisit this decision in the future and as with any >>>> 1.0, you almost always come to reconsider your initial design >>>> goals. There are some interesting options here such as the one >>>> discussed earlier of launching the default application for a >>>> specific file type. >>>> >>>> Stuartc11: It is possible to launch a web browser by the way and >>>> some of the sample applications have code that that demonstrate >>>> how to do this. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> - Rob >>>> Product Manager, Adobe AIR >>>> >>>> -Scott >>>> >>>> PS: Zinc blows holes in the ozone. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Feb 8, 2008 5:41 AM, Cedric Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> Actually, I was able to launch VLC with Zinc (not Zinc specific, >>>> but >>>> it does manage activex) and pass the HD streams to VLC >>>> now, I am looking at a splitted screen with 4 HD streams, all >>>> totally >>>> fluid. >>>> Ok ok, I have a tough graphic card, but my tests so far indicate >>>> that >>>> there is plenty of margin. >>>> Moreover, with VLC I can load in almost any video type (even >>>> FLVs)... >>>> though i am doing an internal check, and if video is FLV I >>>> stream it >>>> with Flash... >>>> The app I am building is quite technical, and clients' constraints >>>> are very high (regarding HD (and full hd) Streaming). To be honest, >>>> it isn't a desktop application, more like a 'computer app' >>>> >>>> Cedric >>>> >>>>> Not to be obtuse, but can you stream HD video with Zinc? >>>>> >>>>> Does streaming HD video establish the validity of a desktop app? >>>>> >>>>> Anyhow, you can stream video with Flash Media Server to the flash >>>>> player (AIR). Probably Red5 too. Right? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Feb 8, 2008 2:02 AM, Cedric Muller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>> yes works well, but quite not a true desktop app: how would you >>>>> stream Full HD video with AIR ? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> yeah, and just to be the rah rah boy - AIR rocks. >>>>>> >>>>>> fine, shoot me, but it *works* well >>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 7, 2008 7:33 PM, Arnoud Bos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>> Try screenweaver haxe (swhx) if you are not afraid of >>>> command line >>>>>> tools. >>>>>> >>>>>> Works great! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> And it's opensource (this is an open source list, right?) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Arnoud >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:osflash- >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens bean tickler >>>>>> Verzonden: donderdag 7 februari 2008 23:25 >>>>>> Aan: [email protected] >>>>>> Onderwerp: [osflash] MDM Zinc v3 rant >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sad sad sad. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Too long have I and almost everyone I know suffered with this >>>> poor >>>>>> product and its predecessors. 2.5 buggy buggy buggy. V3 beta, >>>> buggy >>>>>> but fine, BETA. V3 RELEASE, same as BETA, not one bug fixed from >>>>>> what I can tell and they have ditched tons of the functionality >>>>>> they had in 2.5!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Why oh why do we bother??? Well, at one point they were the >>>> best of >>>>>> a bad bunch with shed loads of commands and slick marketing. >>>>>> However, I feel the competitors have overtaken them. Just >>>> look at >>>>>> the likes of Janus (a new but reliable tool) and SWF studio. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> For me I would have loved to have stayed with SWF Studio but >>>> they >>>>>> had no handheld or Mac output. Janus is my new favorite as it >>>> has >>>>>> yet to cause me an embarrassing client crash and has Mac and >>>> Linux >>>>>> output coming up). But wow, I feel soo dumb for ever buying >>>> Zinc!! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Every negative post on their "community" forum gets deleted, >>>> they >>>>>> are now even checking posts _before_ they go live. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry for the rant. 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