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Robert Osfield wrote:

> Time is the important thing to consider here.  Mobile hardware is
> getting more and more capable.  There is also a movement in mobile
> hardware that geared towards more open  systems.
> 
> Take a snapshot today and things don't look to positive w.r.t
> squeezing the OSG into a mobile platform, in 5 years time I would
> expect things to be very different.  I can imagine lots of folks being
> open to support mobile hardware if they can use similar tools on the
> desktop as on the mobile device.

Robert, you need to consider also the "ecosystem", not only the
technology. Hopefully the narrow-minded telcos running the cellphone
networks will get the idea, but most likely not. The reason why most of
this hardware is closed is not so much because of companies like Nokia
or Siemens, but because of telcos asking them to make their handsets
restricted and unable to run "unapproved" things under the threat of not
selling them with their subscription plans. For example, Symbian (EPOC)
used to be quite open system when it was used by Psion handhelds and is
being closed down more and more as it moved from PDAs to smart phones.

One of the reasons is the fear of uncertified hardware/software damaging
their networks. For example, in my home country - Slovakia - it is still
*illegal* (there is actually a law on this, even though the telecom is
in private hands since a long time) to plug your own phone or modem in
the phone outlet. Everybody ignores it, but officially you must petition
the telecom and they will send the technician to plug the phone in. Of
course, God forbid if the phone/modem/whatever is not one of the
officially approved and certified ones - you have to prove it by showing
the certificate to the tech, otherwise you will not get it connected.
And then they will still botch it (like the DSL line at my girlfriend's
place where they installed some part incorrectly causing interference in
all phones in the house - but that is another story ...)

Then the other thing is pure greed - like 1-2 EUR DRM-ed ringtones (!)
so that you cannot share them and avoid paying the inventor of the Crazy
Frog or whatever annoyance of the day.

Unless this changes, the market for these things will be very limited
for 3rd party developers not associated with either the device
manufacturers or the telecoms.

> This afternoon I tried to update to that latest Producer in CVS but
> couldn't get it compiled.  Will have to try another day.

I have done it just an hour ago and it worked for me. I didn't run it
yet, but it compiled OK.

Jan

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