Hi Ray,

According to the spec the bootdelegation packages should be delegated to the parent classloader even before the Import-Package is checked. As I understand it, the bootdelegation should only be used for packages that are not explicitly imported, but should be available on the classpath (e.g. JDK internal stuff like sun.*). When your bundle has an explicit Import-Package to the package, my guess is that the package should be exported by the system bundle, rather then bootdelegated, meaning that you use the org.osgi.framework.system.packages.extra instead?

Tim

On 08/06/2014 09:18 AM, Raymond Auge wrote:
HAZZAAA!!!

Ok, my assumption was correct. Apparently, packages already declared in Import-Package cannot be ignored by the framework and therefore cannot be supplied via bootdelegation.

However, when removing the packages from the imports, they are loaded via bootdelegation if available.

- Ray


On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Raymond Auge <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    Does it matter that the bundle is declaring these imports?

    Will this cause the bootdelegation to fail (perhaps because the
    framework must enforce the imports with real provided packages)?

    I guess the only way to find out is to hack the manifest of the
    bundle...

    - Ray


    On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:03 AM, Raymond Auge
    <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

        Sadly, it's not working for me. I'm using equinox btw.

        I'll keep trying though as I feel more confident that this is
        the correct approach.


        On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Raymond Auge
        <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
        wrote:

            Yes it is :) I will test this.

            Thank you
            - Ray


            On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Felix Meschberger
            <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                Hi Ray

                We are using

                org.osgi.framework.bundle.parent=framework

                If this is what you were referring to.

                Regards
                Felix

                Am 06.08.2014 um 08:51 schrieb Raymond Auge
                <[email protected]
                <mailto:[email protected]>>:

                Thank you Felix.

                Do you know which mode of the framework classloader
                is required for bootdelegation to work when embedded?

                I tried the bootdelegation earlier, but I didn't not
                succeed. However, I am running embedded so that may
                play into my issue.

                Sincerely,
                - Ray


                On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:42 PM, Felix Meschberger
                <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                    Hi

                    I think this bundle is just wrong: It is declared
                    to not depend on com.sun classes and the
                    com.sun.org.apache classes are repackagings to
                    not collide with the official (and potentially
                    newer versions) of these classes.

                    And yes, we also generally do a boot delegation
                    to com.sun.* and sun.* for the sake of supporting
                    the javax.xml factories to be able to get to the
                    implementation details.

                    Regards
                    Felix

                    Am 06.08.2014 um 02:24 schrieb Raymond Auge
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>>:

                    An example of a osgi bundle which requires such
                    packages is:

                    javax.servlet.jsp.jstl [1]

                    While I can certainly export all these packages
                    from the system bundle by hand, I'm wondering
                    there's any mechanism which might simplify the
                    task, and the maintenance of such over time.

                    [1] http://search.maven.org/#browse%7C-1002239558



                    On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:16 PM, Raymond Auge
                    <[email protected]
                    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                        Is it wrong to use

                        org.osgi.framework.bootdelegation=com.sun.org.apache.*

                        - Ray


                        On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Raymond Auge
                        <[email protected]
                        <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                            Specifically, I'm talking about

                            com.sun.org.apache.*


                            On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Raymond
                            Auge <[email protected]
                            <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

                                What's the best approach to allowing
                                use of the com.sun.* xml packages
                                provided by Java SE?

                                There's a huge number of packages
                                there and listing them out is tedious!

                                Note that the problem is not direct
                                use of container classes, but
                                because the way the XML
                                factories/providers handle creating
                                impls.

                                Someone must have tackled this before.

                                Thoughts?

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